Shark Attack

[JayAlfredPrufrock]

Nice to see that the shark that killed a swimmer in Egypt was caught and beaten to death on the beach.

<Slow handclap>

eat meat, that should say. Obviously.

Nonsense!

We can be compassionate towards more than one creature at a time. Many of us are actively fighting the cruelties in the food industry. Many more of us are veggie/ vegan.

I think it's entirely right to feel sorry for the human first and foremost. I don't think that makes you a hypocrite. But this was caused by human actions so change does need to happen if we don't want to repeat it and unfortunately as we as a country need to lead that kind of change and not expect poorer countries to hold themselves to higher environmental standards than ourselves.
But I did find the shark lives matter vein absolutely hypocritical so that's why I bought up eating meat and fish.

But that poor boy, barely into adulthood must have been terrified and it must be absolutely haunting to see that happen to your child. I care very deeply about animal cruelty but can see that the reaction from people on the beach was entirely human, humans suffering from fear and grief that is.

Our responsibility is not to act all high and mighty when tragedy strikes, it's to prevent that tragedy in the first place.

And that's everyone's responsibility. Not just the people in Egypt scraping a living.

A. You're swimming in the water where sharks swim, just like dogs, or any animal (even humans) if provoked, it will attack you
B. Humans attract sharks closer by throwing fish remains etc in the water
C. Beating a shark to death like that was completely barbaric

Save the faux empathy 🙄

Evolutionary we are hunter gatherers. We developed the ability to use tools as weapons and intelligence , we are the apex predator. The thing is we have gotten so good at dominating we have rapidly taken over and multiplied. This hopefully will balance , more people are becoming more educated and are having less DC.
The shark came close to shore that's not its usual hunting grounds . I absolutely don't agree with clubbing a shark to death but had it eaten my child then yes I would humanely dispatch as I would want any remains back. Indigenous people don't let predators kill them , if they have a large predator coming to attack they have tools ready to fight back.

Haven't read the full thread and all the comments, but a lot of people on here seem to be very "pro shark".

It was a stupid decision to go swimming there, but we all make mistakes in life.

I have more sympathy with the young man being ripped to pieces by the shark, shouting at to his father to save him and the father having to observe helplessly, than with the shark.

I would also like to add if I saw a shark ripping my child to pieces, I would probably participate in hitting and kicking that shark. It would be barbaric, but it would be instinctual for me.

A shark attack is really a freak natural accident - like being hit by a falling rock, or caught up in an earthquake or a wildfire or a flood. I'm not denying how nightmarishly awful it would have been for the victim or his family witnessing it, but ultimately that is what it is.
What followed next was pure human ugliness, just banal cruelty.

If a human, in possession of human reason, had killed your child, however much you might want revenge, most people would not think it appropriate to torture the killer to death. “Civilisation” demands a trial and dispassionate punishment.

A shark is not in possession of human reasoning, so the shark could not know it was “doing wrong” by human standards. It is wrong that a shark should be punished more severely.

Of course, this is all a drop in the ocean (pardon the pun) compared to the suffering imposed on all manner of animals by humans. I would guess that thousands of sharks have died since this particular one was tortured to death - that doesn’t make either situation any better.

Interesting stat, possibly already posted (haven’t read whole thread).

Number of sharks killed per year by humans: 100 million (that’s around 3 per second!!!)

Number of humans killed per year by sharks: less than 10.

We truly are a destructive species.

I can’t relate to this logic. It would be wrong to kill your child’s murderer because the taking of a human life is inherently wrong. The taking of an animal life is not. We do it all the time, for food, for pest control and for our own safety. I absolutely agree with conservation efforts and that we should not be wiping out endangered species, but the threat to them does not come from one individual being killed by deeply traumatised people who had just seen it kill a human. Would you all be leaping to the horrified defence of a poisonous snake?!

I'd probably have more sympathy with someone killing their child's murderer, from a logical perspective, as the murderer would have known what they were doing is very wrong.

It's not the snake's fault that people are in their habitat, either. Snakes can be removed from homes (that are built on the snake's habitat) without killing them as well - several species of Rattlesnake are endangered or threatened, for example, specifically because of deliberate human activity.

But why is it inherently wrong to kill a human, but not an animal?

Serious question.

Killing a person who murdered your child isn't wrong as far as I'm concerned!

Anyway, I don't think we scrapped the death penalty because of any inherent value of human life, it's for other reasons: chance to reform, false conviction, international treaties etc.

Same here.

This 100%

I can't understand how people are more shocked by the death of a shark than the death of poor man.

Watched the full video on TT yesterday before realising what I was watching and it was horrifying, that poor man crying out for his papa to help him.

It is much of a muchness. You don't need to eat meat or dairy (I've not eaten dairy in 25 years, meats and extra 10). My children a tweens and lifelong vegans.

You directly contribute to unnecessary suffering by choosing to eat meat and dairy.

We need to stop fishing. We are depleting the ocean of fish. No wonder the shark came closer to shore than is typical.

Argh, typos/badly written. Vegan 25, vegetarian 10 before that. Point being, if I can survive this long, and raise vegan kids, eating meat and dairy is unnecessary, therefore anyone continuing to consume them is causing unnecessary suffering.

You directly contribute to unnecessary suffering by choosing to eat meat and dairy.

I don't think it's helpful o be critical of those of us who do still try to eat ethically. As far as I'm concerned, there's anything wrong with agriculture and killing animals for food, and I have no intention of being vegan.

I used to watch a farmer in the US on YouTube who raised his own animals and grew crops, i don't see something like that as suffering, the animals had a better life than most.

I do have an interest in supporting farmers who look after their animals, though. And reduce my consumption of animal products a whole.

We actually do

Yes, I meat followed by Of course I’m concerned about human impact on the natural world and we should be doing everything we can to preserve and protect it where possible.

These statements don't gel. Go vegan if you're concerned about human impact on the natural world. Watch Cowspiracy and then Seaspiracy for starters. Who is the we you refer to when you say we must preserve and protect when you admit to eating meat?
Even if you're just eating roadkill, leave it for the wild animals.

And yes, there's more to caring for the planet than just going vegan. But that's the biggie, and the easiest to do, immediately.

I would like to see vegans trying to kill meat eaters 🤣🤣

Are you broken?! It's nothing like the same thing.

To those saying it was necessary, it was fine, there is something seriously wrong with you. A shark lives in the fucking sea. Don't go in if you don't want to get eaten ffs. I hope those that tortured it to death all get eaten or suffer similar fates to the shark.