To think most men are degenerate if you dig down

[dontshootthefruit]

That's it really. Could be pmt but...

I'm not sure MN helps change my mind, and yes, I know people don't post their happy stories.

My own experiences, that of most of my friends, the women on here. It's endless. I know there are some guys that are nicer than others. I know some that I consider good friends. I still wonder, deep deep down if they're all degenerate when it comes to sex.

Porn, prostitution, rough sex, casual assaults, etc. I listened to womens hour today discussing a new BBC doc about the widespread groping on the tube in Japan. What's most shocking to me is the fact they have sex clubs there that allow men to pay to replicate that kind of sexual assault (clubs decked out like train carriages full of prostitutes that appear to resist as part of the fun). Thing is, it's not a fringe activity, it's a "thing". I totally despair. I try to be positive, I have a partner, I have a daughter that's growing up fas, but push comes to shove... wouldn't trust one man that deeply when their sexuality calls.

Shoot me.😀

How do you explain men's behaviour before porn existed?

YANBU

No.
But I don’t date men, or have sex with them and I’m childfree.
I’m white/European, but I’m a huge supporter of the 4B movement.
I believe that is the strongest, and only way to smash the patriarchy.

You're saying your son is a degenerate? Nice.

Nobody is handing their kids over to strangers male or female! But didn't everyone else get taught by teachers/ police/ parents that if you got lost, always approach a woman (esp one with children) never a man. That advice didn't pull itself out of thin air.

And in response to 'just because she was born with a vagina'...I'd say because she was born with a vagina she was socialised to act a certain way and ultimately be less risk to children than some one born with a dick and socialised as a male. It's a lot more than biology.

Ah another bless you - "the boys and the girls"
Still it's probably more than whata lot of parents do

Having spent 20 years with the Military and having known 1000s of blokes, i can assure you they can put on a great front. They can play the happily married loving Dad but the minute they have a chance to cheat, they do. I only know less than a handful that haven't. Even the one that sent his wife flowers every week and took her away at least once every couple of months cheated so many times. Very few are keepers.

Men are primed by nature to seek out sex. It’s very powerful programming. Similarly, women are programmed to follow maternal urges & produce/look after babies. As a species, we have spent the vast majority of our time on this planet in a primitive state and the few years of civilisation are not many in comparison. Nature has not caught up to our modern sensibilities. We all are governed by our primal urges to procreate and raise/protect our offspring.

Dunno what the answer is though

No, I have never be taught that? Where you honestly told to never approach "a man"?

Only if they were a policeman for example or a man trusted with public protection, not a random man. And not sure I trust the ones given that public trust much anymore either!

YES, absolutely. Unless a policeman...but maybe that should be updated following the recent scandals.

No need for man in quotes either!

Rubbish married to a really nice man. I have met some of the others, but it's not every man, or even most in my experience.

No. I don't think women are as violent as men. I'm fully aware of the stats. However, I'm also aware of several women who have harmed children. Myra Hindley was the one who lured the children. They trusted her simply because she was a woman. I wouldn't want my children to trust any random stranger because she happened to be a woman and mummy had told them only men were dangerous.

Absolutely. The average man has a much higher sex drive than the average women.

Even women who enjoy sex or make there profession sex talk about it often being a performance or an act.

There isn't really an act with most men. They have a much stronger and more intense drive for sex than the average woman does unless there are certain mitigating factors.

Sex also carries more risk for women so even when a woman is extremely sexual, there are more risks for her to consider which can inhibit acting on these instincts.

The veneer of civilisation is very thin in both men and women.

I agree op - men, generally speaking, think with their dick, are self-serving and regard women as second class sex objects.

I can say that because the men in my family (and in my friendship group) are feminist, loving men who pull their weight, elevate their daughters, teach their sons to respect women and are equal team mates with their wives.
…But I know this is the exception rather than the rule.

Just today at a supermarket, I watched some young man in a big swanky car just pull up in the family parking spaces. Swaggered out. Didn’t give a shit. All the elderly people and middle aged women shopping had dutifully parked in the general parking but not him. Entitled and arrogant.

My poor dd21 who is very attractive, is scarred by how men approach her and talk to her when she’s out. She’s so used to growing up around decent men it’s ‘spoiled’ her for the majority of males she meets out. Sex-obsessed, self-serving, shallow, misogynist. She feels she’ll never meet anyone because she won’t settle for a disrespectful man.

Every news story generally boils down to male entitlement and selfishness - Putin, Trump, Philip Scholfield, The Met Police, women’s sports and safe spaces being eroded, rape, murder, death by dangerous driving, corruption, fraud, child abuse etc etc - overwhelmingly male crime. What the fuck is wrong with them all?

No wonder young men are so damaged.

The posts on here are vile.

Shows how utterly toxic some women can be.

I think women are responding to the toxicity we've collectively been shown for so long.

As the saying goes, "men are worried women will laugh at them, women are worried men will kill them."

You only need to go on forums frequented by men to see how they talk about women. Trust me...it's not flowers and rainbows.

No wonder young men are so damaged.

The posts on here are vile.

Shows how utterly toxic some women can be.

My 20 year old son agrees that most men are shit. He’s seen his female friends be treated appallingly by men snd doesn’t like the very common misogynistic attitudes of so many young men his age. He’s not damaged by women calling out men for it, he’s a decent bloke and women can see that. Only the shit men get offended.

@JamSandle
But a man's testosterone cycle is 24 hours, they don't have peaks throughout the month etc there levels peak in the morning and dip in the evening. Most sexual assaults happen in the evening/night so not hormone driven.

Also women internalise due to societal expectations, we are expected to act as though our hormones don't impact us. Again the society we live in has allowed men to behave as they do, and has oppressed women at the same time.

Women telling (mostly) other women their experience and opinion of men is 'toxic' is it? There are plenty of posters saying that they have had a majority positive experience of men. Debate isn't toxic.

Very good points ElmTree.

Oh I think 99% of heterosexual men are like this and see women as objects. They are definitely the majority, just some are better at hiding it in everyday life.

I was recently speaking with a guy, who proceeded to gloat about the amount of casual sex he has. He told me he had sex the previous night and he 'needed it, to touch and fck a woman's body.' It's as if a woman is not an actual human being, just an object to masturbate in.

It's grotesque and the sex and pornography industry isn't what it is today for nothing. It's there because there are billions of men across the world who are sex obsessed and see women as objects.

But men have been led by sex since the beginning of time.