To think most men are degenerate if you dig down

[dontshootthefruit]

That's it really. Could be pmt but...

I'm not sure MN helps change my mind, and yes, I know people don't post their happy stories.

My own experiences, that of most of my friends, the women on here. It's endless. I know there are some guys that are nicer than others. I know some that I consider good friends. I still wonder, deep deep down if they're all degenerate when it comes to sex.

Porn, prostitution, rough sex, casual assaults, etc. I listened to womens hour today discussing a new BBC doc about the widespread groping on the tube in Japan. What's most shocking to me is the fact they have sex clubs there that allow men to pay to replicate that kind of sexual assault (clubs decked out like train carriages full of prostitutes that appear to resist as part of the fun). Thing is, it's not a fringe activity, it's a "thing". I totally despair. I try to be positive, I have a partner, I have a daughter that's growing up fas, but push comes to shove... wouldn't trust one man that deeply when their sexuality calls.

Shoot me.😀

Young men are damaged because they listen to depraved psychos like Andrew Tate. And other misogynists who call women speaking truth ‘toxic’.

Anyone who has worked in a male dominated environment knows this to be true. The bigger the ratio of men vs women, the more degenerate the men behave. And I've heard the conversations are even more revolting when no women are around.

Exactly.

Look at the titles of porn videos:

'Young s destroyed by big c'
'Ripe teen broken by step-dad'
'Teacher put in her place in orgy'

Many men have incredible aggressive sexual interests towards women. On the Internet where its not moderated, its laid bare (no pun intended) for all to see.

Clearly not a feminist.
Women have every goddamn right to talk about men as a whole however they wish.

"No wonder young women are so damaged"
What about the young women who can't walk down the street without fear, or can't have a few drinks for fear of someone taking advantage of her vulnerable state, or being told she's asking for male attention did wearing an outfit that empowers her....come on!

Men have had it pretty darn good, how about you give women that sympathy and compassion!

Yes. The presence of women seems to have a calming effect on men in that they behave themselves. But get them alone and its often a different story.

Isin’t it funny how men think many/most/all the other men are shit. Not them of course, they are the ’good one’s’.

And isin’t crazy how so many women think their bf/husband is pretty much ’the last good one’?

Funny,huh?

To add, even my brother, when he's gf isn't here he lives like an animal.

He only cleans or changes his sheets when she comes over.

And don't forget the large proportion of population in big cities coming from cultures and societies where women's worth is that of half a goat and abuse is deeply ingrained but it's accepted and accommodated, especially on mumsnet because "culture". It's not possible to visit certain areas without being stared at continuously by males and followed and being propositioned every few minutes. This takes this society to the level of misogyny not known in this country before, where girls aren't allowed to mix with boys, a woman cannot leave the house without being accompanied by a male, even if it's a young son, women's lives are totally decided by the men in their lives - from when and whether they leave the house to who they shag (get raped by) for the rest of their lives and a desire to exercise her freedom is punishable by ostrasizing at best and death at worst. Many of those concepts and the level of abuse isn't comparable to anything known in Western society before. Then those girls and boys, who are taught those values, go to school with your kids, do you not think it affects society.

Do you think this elephant in the room has no impact.

Yes. Misogyny has many different cultural flavours.

100%

I find that assuming that an entire "group" (for lack of a better word) is dangerous is so wrong. Assuming that a man is degenerate simply because is a man is just as bad as making racist assumption that xyz are degenerate because they have a certain colour or believe in a certain religion.

I don't agree that 99% of men see women as object!

Men will not die if they don't 'empty their nuts', but if a male (or female) chooses to give
themselves DIY pleasure that's their business. They don't have to watch porn to do so.

The problem is that watching porn supports an industry that in many ways exploits women, and is proven to have harmful affects on the viewer in regards to their views on sex, women and relationships. Some men get to the point where they can't ejaculate during sex due to porn addiction, whereas on the extreme side there are cases of men murdering or harming women due to what they have seen in porn.

@onefinemess is right. MN is far from flowers and rainbows when it comes to talking about men. They are basically abusive, unfaithful, penny-pinching, porn-mad cocklodgers who are also shit fathers.

There are plenty of degenerate people of both sexes, but I simply don't agree that all men (or even the majority of them) are degenerate.

I am glad I haven't brought my son up to think that being a man is bad. I'm also glad that I haven't brought my daughters up to think that men are bad.

Women have every goddamn right to talk about men as a whole however they wish.

Indeed
so I have every goddamn right to talk about men as a whole as decent and helpful, as are women.

Well you reap what you sow OP, my DH and son are wonderful to me and others. If you want to pump apl men under one banner life some on the strange man haters on MN no surprise you only see and find what you want to see and search for.

Can't think many nice guys would want to be round some one who hates them or distrusts them, perhaps it's yours and others poor choices also.

But I suspect replays and quota from my post will only add to the echo chamber you seek. What a sad existence it must be.

I dont think men are bad or all men are bad and do have men in my life I love. But I also don't like to bury my head in the sand about the very real things happening in the world every day because of the actions of men.

*1. Women are responsible for what men do

1. Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish

1. Women’s opinions are violence against men, thus male violence against women is justified.

12. Women’s ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.*

Ticking off a few of those rules of misogyny in one go there

Porn has always existed.

I never said you couldn't, and I have no problem with you doing so. That's your prerogative. Frankly if that's your experience of men I'm happy for you.

What I do have a problem with is someone describing women talking about their experiences with men as TOXIC. That only adds to the problem we face in society where men can act however they like towards women, and we just keep quiet for fear of being called toxic or whatever else.

Some women believe their husbands, fathers, brothers, sons etc are good men, because they don't see the other side of them.

Many men act decent and lovely when their family is around, but as soon as they're gone their personality does a 180, especially when showing off among other men. They will treat women how they like, but god forbid someone messes their sister around. They will be respectful mummy's boys but then cat call women in the street.

And then you have the married men with a Madonna Whore complex.

No - I agree to an extent. Men are statistically more likely to rape, attack and be violent towards other people (including towards other men). However, the actions of a minority of men shouldn't be taken as representative of the majority of men, and it is sad if people's experiences suggest that their conclusions are normal and right. They aren't: they are just their own experiences.

MN is only used by a small minority of women as a whole. The vast majority of women get on with their lives offline, with nice, decent men. The views on here are skewed by the kinds of (largely man-hating) women who use this forum.

@IsThereAnEchoInHere

Isin’t it funny how men think many/most/all the other men are shit. Not them of course, they are the ’good one’s’.

Have you seen Promising Young Women, that movie depicts the "nice guy" syndrome really well!!

‘Good men’ need to sort their house out.

Men need to be accountable for their own sex class and it’s degeneracy.

women can’t do it. We’ve tried for decades. Other men harm other men. Male violence is an epidemic for both sexes

Men sort it out.

I don't think these types of conversations are limited to mumsnet though. Statistics of abuse/rape/murder etc speak for themselves. It's not just an online echo chamber piling on - its a reality in the world.

I had 3 brothers, have got 2 sons. All of them were taught NOT to be like that. What about the women who star in porn films, or who work in sex clubs?

I have really lovely, lovely respectful men around me. My dad, my brother, my DH, my son, our male friends….That’s how I know they are not like the majority because I have eyes and ears. It’s terribly naive to think that just because you know nice men, men as a class aren’t a problem. They commit the vast majority of crime, war and violence. They are perpetual threat to females. How can you deny that?