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To think most men are degenerate if you dig down

363 replies

dontshootthefruit · 09/06/2023 17:16

That's it really. Could be pmt but...

I'm not sure MN helps change my mind, and yes, I know people don't post their happy stories.

My own experiences, that of most of my friends, the women on here. It's endless. I know there are some guys that are nicer than others. I know some that I consider good friends. I still wonder, deep deep down if they're all degenerate when it comes to sex.

Porn, prostitution, rough sex, casual assaults, etc. I listened to womens hour today discussing a new BBC doc about the widespread groping on the tube in Japan. What's most shocking to me is the fact they have sex clubs there that allow men to pay to replicate that kind of sexual assault (clubs decked out like train carriages full of prostitutes that appear to resist as part of the fun). Thing is, it's not a fringe activity, it's a "thing". I totally despair. I try to be positive, I have a partner, I have a daughter that's growing up fas, but push comes to shove... wouldn't trust one man that deeply when their sexuality calls.

Shoot me.😀

OP posts:
Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 11:59

chupachucks · 10/06/2023 11:15

Well if you hate degenerate men so much I hope you are doing your part, refusing to support all these degenerate violent rapist woman hating men. By boycotting all their services, innovations help and guidance.

Better cancel your male doctors, dentists, mechanics, shop keepers ,chefs, teachers, ect ect. 🤣

You show me all.

Well given many men are performing badly at school and women are overtaking them, you’ll be without jobs soon enough.

Thesharkradar · 10/06/2023 12:00

JudgeRudy · 10/06/2023 00:05

I don't think most men are degenerate no, but I think most have those impulses. Partners/family help them to empathise and view women as people, but there's always 'the other' woman out there that they don't know. Presumably they're the ones they'd like to grope/assault etc. I think most wouldn't dream of treating women as objects because they know its wrong, but if there was some sort of apocalypse or New World Order where they had social permission to do 'bad things' lm pretty sure many would be impregnating 15 year olds.

I think you're wrong they would be marrying these girls before they reach puberty so that they can make them submissive and compliant before all the hormones kick in, break them in if you will. Then they would impregnate them as soon as they were able to conceive, they wouldn't wait until the girls were 15, 15 year olds are much too feisty, they would compete with other men to capture and dominate the youngest prettiest girls.

Thelnebriati · 10/06/2023 12:01

If 90%+ of violent offenders were women and the majority of their victims were men, men would be up in arms and putting us under curfew.

Thesharkradar · 10/06/2023 12:02

Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 11:56

Yep. When the footage was released of the Brazilian woman who was beaten by her husband in a lift and then thrown off the balcony, men on UK men’s forums were debating whether she had cheated on him, as that would justify her murder.

Because the worst thing a woman can do is disrespect a man and make him look foolish in the eyes of other men- of course she must be killed for that.

Tiredskin · 10/06/2023 12:02

Hi @dontshootthefruit I work with transmen and yes, it is true.

deathbyhayfever · 10/06/2023 12:04

Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 11:53

It’s 160 murders too many. Maybe if 97% of killers are women you’ll start singing a different tune. If that happens you will be pushing for women to be under curfew.

of course it's 160 murders too many. It doesn't match your "all men or most men are degenerate" though.

The 8,000 or 10,000 + of reported child neglect cases are way too many too. More than 70% of the abuse comes from the mother, do we start claiming that "the majority of mothers are abusive"? Of course not, how ridiculous.

I am scared of rapists. I am not scared of MEN because I think each one is a potential rapist 🙄

Thesharkradar · 10/06/2023 12:04

Thelnebriati · 10/06/2023 12:01

If 90%+ of violent offenders were women and the majority of their victims were men, men would be up in arms and putting us under curfew.

No they wouldn't, they'd be beating the shit out of us, the reason women don't commit violent offences at the same rate as men is because men are the bigger stronger ones.
If women were doing the violence then women would be larger stronger more intimidating ones.... aka the men.

chupachucks · 10/06/2023 12:04

Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 11:59

Well given many men are performing badly at school and women are overtaking them, you’ll be without jobs soon enough.

Another poster who cannot engage brain why would women succeeding in life put other women out of a job.

Why will I be out of a job? Are you okay? 🥱

There really is so me desperation on this thread by man haters to blame other mothers husband and sons for the actions of others. Do you all generalise and obsess over other races, creeds and religions the same or do you just lump the entire sex like this.

Keep posting by all means most of the posts here are giving me and my DH a right laugh. There is some real bitter twisted and dam right delusional haters out there. Quote me by all means like most other normal people it gives me an eye roll and a chuckle. 😂

SallyWD · 10/06/2023 12:05

Just had a quick Google and found the UN Global Homicide study: www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/global-study-on-homicide.html
It shows that 90% of murders are committed by man. Also interestingly, 80% of murder vistims are male. We're always hearing what a risk men are to women but men are at much greater risk from other men. Men should be up in arms about this, like women are!

onefinemess · 10/06/2023 12:06

KateJohns · 10/06/2023 11:01

Facts are cool.

160 women murdered every year.
1 in every 30 women raped or sexually abused.

The highest ever number of rapes within a 12-month period was recorded by police in the year ending September 2022: 70,633

In that same time period, charges were brought in just 2,616 rape cases

Using hyperbole.
Every year in the UK there are 2–9 deaths due to anaphylaxis from bee or wasp stings

If bees were killing 160+ and severely hurting 70k more... You'd better believe people wouldn't trust bees.

696 murdere/homicide victims in the UK last year. Lets assume men were responsible for all of them.

33 million men live in the UK.

99.99% of men have not killed anyone.

33 million women in the UK (51% of the population technically).

99.99% of women have not been killed by a man.

Reports of crimes are about as reliable as the Crime Survey of England and Wales.

The reason 99% of rape allegations recorded by police (yes, thats an accurate statistic) don't result in a charge is because there is no realistic prospect of conviction. There just isn't enough evidence available to even begin to form an opinion of whether or not the allegation is true. (Women do lie, and some have, shock horror, been convicted and jailed for lying). We live in a society where people are actively encouraged to report any suspected sexual transgression to the police. Every slight, every awkward conversation, every misunderstanding, every suspicion. Of course the number of complaints will be high, we go out of our way to encourage people to make those reports. Let's assume all those 70k reports of rape were all genuine, and all committed by different men, and all those men convicted. Your own statistics would then suggest that 99.8% of all men are not behaving in a manner which women feel needs to be reported. See how easy it is to change the narrative?

Statistics are thrown around, frequently used out of context, which permeate the belief that ALL men are nothing more than rapists and abusers. This makes about as much sense as accusing all female nursery workers of being like Vanessa George.

Don't be silly, all women can't be judged by the actions of one woman you cry!

You have no problem judging 99.99% of men on the actions of a few. But then double standards are rife on here.

deathbyhayfever · 10/06/2023 12:06

It's puzzling why some people are so desperate to put us all in an Handmaid's Tale world, mostly women. The only one who are obsessing about it is you, not the majority of men or women.

SallyWD · 10/06/2023 12:07

Thelnebriati · 10/06/2023 12:01

If 90%+ of violent offenders were women and the majority of their victims were men, men would be up in arms and putting us under curfew.

See the study I've just posted. The vast majority of the victims of male violence are male.

Fisharejumping · 10/06/2023 12:07

ensayers · 09/06/2023 18:11

Men need to empty their nuts one way or another. Better to be single and watch porn every day with a box of kleenex than to have a bad, one sided or abusive relationship with another human.

Or are you saying that all porn is bad?

Jeez, who let you in? “Empty their nuts” indeed.

cuckyplunt · 10/06/2023 12:08

Not DH, he’s a sweetheart, I am more degenerate than he is!

Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 12:14

Thesharkradar · 10/06/2023 12:02

Because the worst thing a woman can do is disrespect a man and make him look foolish in the eyes of other men- of course she must be killed for that.

Exactly. It’s old but true - men are afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill then.

Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 12:16

chupachucks · 10/06/2023 12:04

Another poster who cannot engage brain why would women succeeding in life put other women out of a job.

Why will I be out of a job? Are you okay? 🥱

There really is so me desperation on this thread by man haters to blame other mothers husband and sons for the actions of others. Do you all generalise and obsess over other races, creeds and religions the same or do you just lump the entire sex like this.

Keep posting by all means most of the posts here are giving me and my DH a right laugh. There is some real bitter twisted and dam right delusional haters out there. Quote me by all means like most other normal people it gives me an eye roll and a chuckle. 😂

Really, you’re a woman? You sound like a man.

Sad that you need your so called DH to back you up.

JamSandle · 10/06/2023 12:17

deathbyhayfever · 10/06/2023 12:06

It's puzzling why some people are so desperate to put us all in an Handmaid's Tale world, mostly women. The only one who are obsessing about it is you, not the majority of men or women.

Depending on where you live in the world, it can be very much like the Handmaid's Tale.

Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 12:17

chupachucks · 10/06/2023 11:08

Oh right, so what have you done as as a woman to prevent the deaths of all the children by their mothers and the babies in that hospital I will not mention?

Practice what you preach, you seem very preachy don't you. How many evil mothers have you stopped as a mother?

97% of killers are men. Worry about the actual problem rather than the minority.

Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 12:19

WandaWonder · 10/06/2023 10:06

No I don't assume all me are some collective thing same as I don't think all women are either.

People do choose who they have relationships with so are responsible themselves for their choices they make on what they put up with, male or female

More victim blaming 🥱

Women are not responsible for the men who kill or abuse them.

Florissant · 10/06/2023 12:22

97% of killers are men. Worry about the actual problem rather than the minority

But not 97% of men are killers. Big difference.

Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 12:24

deathbyhayfever · 10/06/2023 12:04

of course it's 160 murders too many. It doesn't match your "all men or most men are degenerate" though.

The 8,000 or 10,000 + of reported child neglect cases are way too many too. More than 70% of the abuse comes from the mother, do we start claiming that "the majority of mothers are abusive"? Of course not, how ridiculous.

I am scared of rapists. I am not scared of MEN because I think each one is a potential rapist 🙄

When 97% of killers are men and 82% of violent offenders are men, this gives men as a whole power and control.

Because when a man harasses a woman on a train, she is worried that answering back will mean he will punch her.

When a man rapes a woman she is worried it’s her word against his because the rate of convictions so low.

When a husband beats his wife she gives in because at the back of her mind she knows he could kill her.

No matter how much you try and insist 160 is a small number, you can’t fool us, because 97% of killers are men and that speaks volumes.

Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 12:25

Florissant · 10/06/2023 12:22

97% of killers are men. Worry about the actual problem rather than the minority

But not 97% of men are killers. Big difference.

None so blind as those who won’t see.

WandaWonder · 10/06/2023 12:28

Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 12:19

More victim blaming 🥱

Women are not responsible for the men who kill or abuse them.

It is not victim blaming a criminal is 100% to blame for their actions same as anyone treating another badly, they are totally responsible for their actions

But people are responsible for the choice of partners and what they accept

deathbyhayfever · 10/06/2023 12:32

Funny how in my experience, the attitude of some of the "women" on here (I imagine you are women, it's an anonymous forum after all) looking down and insulting anyone who doesn't fit their narrative.

is a lot worst than the attitude of men they hate so much. 😂

onefinemess · 10/06/2023 12:32

deathbyhayfever · 10/06/2023 12:32

Funny how in my experience, the attitude of some of the "women" on here (I imagine you are women, it's an anonymous forum after all) looking down and insulting anyone who doesn't fit their narrative.

is a lot worst than the attitude of men they hate so much. 😂

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