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To think most men are degenerate if you dig down

363 replies

dontshootthefruit · 09/06/2023 17:16

That's it really. Could be pmt but...

I'm not sure MN helps change my mind, and yes, I know people don't post their happy stories.

My own experiences, that of most of my friends, the women on here. It's endless. I know there are some guys that are nicer than others. I know some that I consider good friends. I still wonder, deep deep down if they're all degenerate when it comes to sex.

Porn, prostitution, rough sex, casual assaults, etc. I listened to womens hour today discussing a new BBC doc about the widespread groping on the tube in Japan. What's most shocking to me is the fact they have sex clubs there that allow men to pay to replicate that kind of sexual assault (clubs decked out like train carriages full of prostitutes that appear to resist as part of the fun). Thing is, it's not a fringe activity, it's a "thing". I totally despair. I try to be positive, I have a partner, I have a daughter that's growing up fas, but push comes to shove... wouldn't trust one man that deeply when their sexuality calls.

Shoot me.😀

OP posts:
chupachucks · 10/06/2023 11:05

KateJohns · 10/06/2023 11:01

Facts are cool.

160 women murdered every year.
1 in every 30 women raped or sexually abused.

The highest ever number of rapes within a 12-month period was recorded by police in the year ending September 2022: 70,633

In that same time period, charges were brought in just 2,616 rape cases

Using hyperbole.
Every year in the UK there are 2–9 deaths due to anaphylaxis from bee or wasp stings

If bees were killing 160+ and severely hurting 70k more... You'd better believe people wouldn't trust bees.

Yes facts are cool but where's you context 160 out if 650,000,000 people.

All murders are awful but a bit of context helps.

🤔

KateJohns · 10/06/2023 11:06

And just think about how many of those 70k rape victims thought their rapist was a wonderful man that they trusted.

How many of the murder victims trusted their murderer?

That's before thinking about how many men cheat and how many of those women thought they have 'a good one'

It shouldn't be a case of finding a good one, it should be a case they're all good..

And if just .5% of all men are bad, then the other 99.5% should do something about it. Don't be their friend. Don't laugh at their jokes. Don't include them in sport.

For every rapist, every murderer, every abuser.. thay had friends.. those friends are degenerates too.

KateJohns · 10/06/2023 11:07

chupachucks · 10/06/2023 11:05

Yes facts are cool but where's you context 160 out if 650,000,000 people.

All murders are awful but a bit of context helps.

🤔

There's 30 million women in the UK

If you're going to add context, add the right context.

chupachucks · 10/06/2023 11:08

KateJohns · 10/06/2023 11:06

And just think about how many of those 70k rape victims thought their rapist was a wonderful man that they trusted.

How many of the murder victims trusted their murderer?

That's before thinking about how many men cheat and how many of those women thought they have 'a good one'

It shouldn't be a case of finding a good one, it should be a case they're all good..

And if just .5% of all men are bad, then the other 99.5% should do something about it. Don't be their friend. Don't laugh at their jokes. Don't include them in sport.

For every rapist, every murderer, every abuser.. thay had friends.. those friends are degenerates too.

Oh right, so what have you done as as a woman to prevent the deaths of all the children by their mothers and the babies in that hospital I will not mention?

Practice what you preach, you seem very preachy don't you. How many evil mothers have you stopped as a mother?

KateJohns · 10/06/2023 11:10

chupachucks · 10/06/2023 11:08

Oh right, so what have you done as as a woman to prevent the deaths of all the children by their mothers and the babies in that hospital I will not mention?

Practice what you preach, you seem very preachy don't you. How many evil mothers have you stopped as a mother?

Please explain what that has to do with the topic at hand and the crimes of men?
In detail please.

chupachucks · 10/06/2023 11:11

KateJohns · 10/06/2023 11:10

Please explain what that has to do with the topic at hand and the crimes of men?
In detail please.

Oh so you don't like it when the shoe is in the other foot, I see carry on you have proved you don't practice what you preach. 🤣

KateJohns · 10/06/2023 11:12

Thread has descended into namalt, whataboutery and blind male defence from head pat seekers.

I'm out.

Arguing amongst yourselves, the men will thank you for it... With lower wages, more housework, rape and abuse.

catslovelife · 10/06/2023 11:12

Only a very small % of rape incidents are actually recorded. Many women are scared they won't be believed/ don't want the trauma of a trial or medical exam etc etc.

Many women are also coerced into sex they don't want by a partner, but because it's a relationship they struggle to see it as rape.

Marital rape only became illegal in 1991, it still happens all the time today. It's just how can it be proven? If you have consensual sex in the morning and then your partner rapes you in the afternoon, you would feel a fool going to the police to report this. There would be no viable evidence that could be used in court.

KateJohns · 10/06/2023 11:13

chupachucks · 10/06/2023 11:11

Oh so you don't like it when the shoe is in the other foot, I see carry on you have proved you don't practice what you preach. 🤣

And you can't explain your point.

Me- men are bad...

You - but so are women..

Me - and?.

You - but so are women..

Gtf

Jemandthehologramsunite · 10/06/2023 11:14

Yep. Even they admit it. I've seen comedians say similar and all the men think it's hilarious.

chupachucks · 10/06/2023 11:15

KateJohns · 10/06/2023 11:12

Thread has descended into namalt, whataboutery and blind male defence from head pat seekers.

I'm out.

Arguing amongst yourselves, the men will thank you for it... With lower wages, more housework, rape and abuse.

Well if you hate degenerate men so much I hope you are doing your part, refusing to support all these degenerate violent rapist woman hating men. By boycotting all their services, innovations help and guidance.

Better cancel your male doctors, dentists, mechanics, shop keepers ,chefs, teachers, ect ect. 🤣

You show me all.

Weddingpuzzle · 10/06/2023 11:18

I went for a run at 6am this morning. I saw a female runner. No physiological reaction. I saw a male runner, my vigilance went up, my heart rate went up and I changed my behaviour (looked for means if escape). He ran past me, no issues, just said hello. Is my brain a misandrist or a realist?

JamSandle · 10/06/2023 11:27

I just can't help but think a lot of the commenters who haven't experienced this are either very lucky or very naive.

BodyKeepingScore · 10/06/2023 11:32

Christ. Can you imagine if a man came on here and made the same sweeping generalisation about women?

I dont for one second believe all men are "degenerate " or would be given the opportunity. Are some men? Absolutely yes. Are all men? Absolutely not. I've had enough of both types to know the difference.

I think this is an incredibly sexist post. And I'm saddened to see how many women think so poorly of men/their DP's/male family members.

BodyKeepingScore · 10/06/2023 11:33

Letitrow · 09/06/2023 17:40

I think on a societal level you are absolutely right, sure some individual men aren't like that but it is a huge problem generally and the fact that some men are decent (on the surface at least) doesn't change that.

Do you have sons? Would you be happy for someone to describe them as degenerate in the future, or only surface level decent? Or are your sons/father/brothers etc exempt from this general level of degeneracy??

5128gap · 10/06/2023 11:34

Freefall212 · 10/06/2023 09:50

There are similar boards online filled with men talking about how degenerate women are. The posters on those boards despite women, name call women, blame women for their problems and don't take accountablity for themselves at all as men. This board is filled with women who think men are degenerates and who despise men, name call men, blame men for all their problems, and don't take accountability at all for themselves as women.

This board and the anti-women boards post almost exactly the same sexist, hateful, rhetoric, just against the opposite sex. The arguments and language and posts are almost identical.

Well that shouldn't come as a surprise. For centuries men have labelled women in these ways and used language about us far in excess of anything on here. There are forums that advocate for violence against us, our rape and murder. That sexualize us from childhood and into our old age. That call for the continuation of systems and structures that exploit and abuse us, and seek to remove our rights. If the worst you've come across looks like this thread, you've not scratched the surface.

CurlewKate · 10/06/2023 11:35

@chupachucks "Practice what you preach, you seem very preachy don't you. How many evil mothers have you stopped as a mother?"

If I had any evidence-or even a suspicion that a woman was going to hurt a child, I'd be calling the police instantly. I'm not sure why your post is relevant.

CurlewKate · 10/06/2023 11:38

@BodyKeepingScore "Do you have sons? Would you be happy for someone to describe them as degenerate in the future, or only surface level decent? "

I have a son. I have worked very hard as I brought him up to ensure that he is one of the good guys. I hope to hell he is.

catslovelife · 10/06/2023 11:38

The women hating incel forums out there are 10000000x worse than anything said about men on this thread.

Oysterbabe · 10/06/2023 11:39

I watched a documentary about Mary Vincent recently. For those who don't know the case, when she was hitchhiking aged 15 and was picked up a man who raped her, chopped off her forearms with a hatchet then threw her off a cliff. She survived by sticking the stumps of her arms into mud to stop the bleeding then walked 3 miles to a road to get help. Her attacker served less than 10 years in prison then murdered another woman once released.

Men do scare me a bit. The evil and level of violence they are capable of and just how you dont know what's going on below the surface. I worked with a guy for years who seemed perfectly nice and normal and then he was arrested and imprisoned for downloading child porn.

IsThereAnEchoInHere · 10/06/2023 11:42

JamSandle · 10/06/2023 11:27

I just can't help but think a lot of the commenters who haven't experienced this are either very lucky or very naive.

Also low(er) standards, in denial, ’good girls’ - meaning you shall not speak badly of men, fear….
Many reasons why women would choose to ignore and refuse these things.

5128gap · 10/06/2023 11:50

I have adult sons. And I can tell you that like any decent man, they have far less of a problem with women discussing their experiences of men than the posters rushing to defend them on here.
They're men. They have back stage access. They know what men are like and they're not apologists, victim blamers or deniers. If the men in your life have led you to believe that the problem of male behaviour is exaggerated, that none of their friends would EVER...then you really need to ask what they're trying to hide from you.

Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 11:53

chupachucks · 10/06/2023 11:05

Yes facts are cool but where's you context 160 out if 650,000,000 people.

All murders are awful but a bit of context helps.

🤔

It’s 160 murders too many. Maybe if 97% of killers are women you’ll start singing a different tune. If that happens you will be pushing for women to be under curfew.

Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 11:56

catslovelife · 10/06/2023 11:38

The women hating incel forums out there are 10000000x worse than anything said about men on this thread.

Yep. When the footage was released of the Brazilian woman who was beaten by her husband in a lift and then thrown off the balcony, men on UK men’s forums were debating whether she had cheated on him, as that would justify her murder.

Lacucuracha · 10/06/2023 11:57

BodyKeepingScore · 10/06/2023 11:32

Christ. Can you imagine if a man came on here and made the same sweeping generalisation about women?

I dont for one second believe all men are "degenerate " or would be given the opportunity. Are some men? Absolutely yes. Are all men? Absolutely not. I've had enough of both types to know the difference.

I think this is an incredibly sexist post. And I'm saddened to see how many women think so poorly of men/their DP's/male family members.

When men are no longer the biggest threat women face then come back and NAMALT.

Until then maybe go to the men’s forums, their views suit you better.