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Alice Evans/ Ioan Gruffydd misogyny

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Lifeswhatyoumakeit73 · 09/06/2023 16:45

It’s all over the papers that Ioan Gryffudds 13 year old daughter has taken out a restraining order against him due to him & his girlfriends violent behaviour to his eldest daughter. And I have seen loads of comments blaming Alice Evans for it.

Its incredible misogynistic bollocks. She seems to have been blamed for him leaving her & their children, for him not seeing his kids for years, for him running off with a younger woman & now for his behaviour towards his daughter which has resulted in her asking for a restraining order against her father.

How can it always be the fault of the woman? It’s horrible misogyny. He left his family & ran off with a younger woman!

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Gracewithoutend · 10/06/2023 00:35

whumpthereitis · 09/06/2023 23:27

The former was literally dubbed ‘Krazye’ in response to his recent antics, so yes men are dubbed crazy.

Not that it necessarily matters. That women have been maligned as ‘cray cray’ doesn’t mean that some aren’t in fact ‘cray cray’. Broken clocks are right twice a day.

As I said, men can be crazy. And yes, women can be crazy. I'd think it goes without saying that both those are true.
But the phrase cray cray is demeaning and meant to infantilise women. I've never heard it used to describe men.

Oreoo · 10/06/2023 00:49

It's absolutely tragic both Alice is terrible , there's no where the girls can go Alice has made sure of that. There's no extended family to have them and he's more interested in his shagging his girlfriend and jetting round the world. He's apparently poor and living off her , so how is he still jetting for jobs?
If he had anything about him he would be not pushing blending in an acrimonious divorce.

whumpthereitis · 10/06/2023 00:52

Gracewithoutend · 10/06/2023 00:35

As I said, men can be crazy. And yes, women can be crazy. I'd think it goes without saying that both those are true.
But the phrase cray cray is demeaning and meant to infantilise women. I've never heard it used to describe men.

A quick google would fix that. It’s not universally applied to women at all.

it’s not Alice’s sex that gets her labelled ‘cray cray’, it’s her behaviour .

Oreoo · 10/06/2023 00:56

Over40Overdating · 09/06/2023 18:58

I think both parents should be ashamed of themselves - a 13 year old girl is being called a brat and narcissistic and accused of abusing her father and his girlfriend by grown adults on the internet, because people’s obsessive hatred of Alice (which may be warranted as much as hatred of a total stranger can be) to defend Ioan (who, while a DV victim, is not blameless in how the fallout has been managed) using any means necessary to paint one side as a devil and another an angel.

Alice is clearly not a stable or rational person, and Ioan clearly has proof she was abusive BUT there’s also room to say the recent situation could have been avoided by BOTH parents putting the children first.

I find it disturbing that a child can be torn to shreds so publicly because their father’s fan base can’t countenance the fact that he can be a DV victim and a shit dad at the same time.

Omg this 10000 percent. If this was the breadwinner woman and she got a new boyfriend left her kids with a nutter resident parent , jetting round the globe and posting loved up Instagrams. Sold the family home pulled the kid out of school cause of expenses , claimed she was skint and living off the new boyfriend. She would be ripped apart lol 😆 I think the ioan fans are women who fancy him it's bizarre. Ewww they are both horrible. Her narcissistic abusive and him selfish.

BastetsWhiskers · 10/06/2023 05:24

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/06/2023 17:15

She has already been subject to an order herself due to prepetrating domestic abuse.

It's not misogyny to point out that somebody who has been found in court to be a domestic abuser is about as trustworthy as my cat with an unattended prawn cocktail.

Thanks for that, I'm going to be thinking about cats and prawn cocktails and them getting paprika on their whiskers all morning!

Duckskitbank · 10/06/2023 06:38

What on earth is Bianca thinking?
She’s young and beautiful; he’s old, skint and comes with a lot of baggage.

Alice needs some serious help. Even the way she pitched her initial announcement that ‘he’s leaving the family’. He’s leaving YOU probably because you’re a fucking nightmare so don’t get between him and his kids.

Reallyalice · 10/06/2023 07:35

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TheSunnySide · 10/06/2023 08:14

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Didn’t he go off on an extended European jaunt with his girlfriend while simultaneously whining that he didn’t get to see his kids? Surely a parent who wants to spend time with his children during a critical separation from their mother doesn’t head off on a long holiday!

Over40Overdating · 10/06/2023 09:32

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Good god. I really hope you’re actually very young, because grown adults saying things like this about people they don’t know, to defend an actor is worrying and part of the problem for everyone involved.

NotSoBigCrocodile · 10/06/2023 09:37

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Embarrassing.

Why does every thread about this descend into rabid Ioan fans actually believing they are speaking directly to Alice.

Not everyone thinks Ioan is fucking awesome. Deal with it.

Sundaystorm · 10/06/2023 09:40

Have you seen Alice’s instagram. She’s absolutely crackers. I’m surprised the children haven’t been removed from her. Of course this could all be a result of what he may or may not have done to her, we’ll never know. The actual truth generally lies somewhere in between both parties’ accounts. It’s the children I feel sorry for as they’ve clearly been weaponised.

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Is that you Bianca.

Merlin69 · 10/06/2023 15:21

TheSunnySide · 10/06/2023 00:28

It is So interesting to see there are still fanatic fans who insist that anyone starting a thread where they supports Alice Evans, IS Alice Evans. That takes a special kind of crazy.

whatever the situation it seems incredibly strange that this father is so insistent that his children spend time with someone they have told him they don’t want to spend time with. How old is he, about 50? Yet he is acting like a complete idiot and placing his new partner above his children. He seems to have so little awareness of what parenting is, but then again didn’t he leave all the parenting to his wife and poss off halfway round the world for months on end.

If you’re referring to my comment, you can quote me, I’m a grown up capable of a discussion that doesn’t have to be passive aggressive (which is kind of how your comment is coming across given you’re accusing people without having the conviction to address it to anyone directly).

if you are referring to me, then I didn’t say every thread started about Alice was started by Alice herself , I suggested however that there are a proportion that appear to be and I stand by that (though I’m not arrogant enough to believe I must be right). I will say however that when I see someone who starts a thread with niceties and then starts swearing when other posters disagree and criticise Alice, this makes me highly suspicious of the possibility of it being Alice since this is exactly how she behaves on her social media. Maybe these specific people aren’t Alice which means there’s just more people in the world like Alice (unable to regulate their emotions or have a civil debate)

NotSoBigCrocodile · 10/06/2023 20:29

if you are referring to me, then I didn’t say every thread started about Alice was started by Alice herself , I suggested however that there are a proportion that appear to be and I stand by that.

That isn’t much better, tbh.

TheSunnySide · 10/06/2023 20:53

“Is Alice going to keep creating threads on here and Twitter because she thinks she’ll eventually gets the responses she wants? It’s not going to happen because for the vast majority, even when people dislike Ioan’s behaviour, they think her behaviour is shameful too.

She is so thin skinned that she can’t accept advice or a differing viewpoint let alone any form of criticism so what’s the point in seeking it out?! Alice, you’re not likeable to many based on your behaviour, either accept that or if you can’t, stop behaving liked the cliche of a woman scorned”

Oreoo · 10/06/2023 21:59

TheSunnySide · 10/06/2023 20:53

“Is Alice going to keep creating threads on here and Twitter because she thinks she’ll eventually gets the responses she wants? It’s not going to happen because for the vast majority, even when people dislike Ioan’s behaviour, they think her behaviour is shameful too.

She is so thin skinned that she can’t accept advice or a differing viewpoint let alone any form of criticism so what’s the point in seeking it out?! Alice, you’re not likeable to many based on your behaviour, either accept that or if you can’t, stop behaving liked the cliche of a woman scorned”

Oh ffs we aren't all Ioan Gruffurd and Bianca Wallace superfans. I think Alice is unhinged and a poor example of a mother to her vulnerable children. I think Ioan Gruffurd has prioritised his love life above ensuring his kids aren't further psychologically damaged. They are both selfish Alice is worse. If you want an Ioan Gruffurd love in go back to tattle we certainly aren't all Alice.

Merlin69 · 10/06/2023 22:04

TheSunnySide · 10/06/2023 20:53

“Is Alice going to keep creating threads on here and Twitter because she thinks she’ll eventually gets the responses she wants? It’s not going to happen because for the vast majority, even when people dislike Ioan’s behaviour, they think her behaviour is shameful too.

She is so thin skinned that she can’t accept advice or a differing viewpoint let alone any form of criticism so what’s the point in seeking it out?! Alice, you’re not likeable to many based on your behaviour, either accept that or if you can’t, stop behaving liked the cliche of a woman scorned”

When I said I’m happy for you quote me if your comment was aimed at me I guess I wasn’t expecting your reply to be so literal as in you would solely quote my words back in response. However respect to your choice to close all further discussion/exchange between us.

TheSunnySide · 10/06/2023 22:13

My son is 12. One of his class mates (a bit of a twat) started a poll on a chat group, that my son had been invited to, about if he should bring his football to school. The two options were Yes and No.
My son voted ‘no’ and the other kid responded with ‘who said you could vote no on my poll?’

this is the second time this week I have had to sit on my hands 😆

Merlin69 · 10/06/2023 22:29

TheSunnySide · 10/06/2023 22:13

My son is 12. One of his class mates (a bit of a twat) started a poll on a chat group, that my son had been invited to, about if he should bring his football to school. The two options were Yes and No.
My son voted ‘no’ and the other kid responded with ‘who said you could vote no on my poll?’

this is the second time this week I have had to sit on my hands 😆

You’ve just called your son’s ‘classmate’, a child ‘a bit of a twat’. Sorry but I think you should have sat on your hands for this one too if you think it’s appropriate to call a child names like that

Againstmachine · 11/06/2023 12:45

Merlin69 · 10/06/2023 22:29

You’ve just called your son’s ‘classmate’, a child ‘a bit of a twat’. Sorry but I think you should have sat on your hands for this one too if you think it’s appropriate to call a child names like that

Rubbish there are plenty of 12 year olds who are basically feral and act like twats.

CatfoodOzymandias · 11/06/2023 13:05

They are both toxic. And are examples of how not to use your social media. Keep a little dignity fgs.

Merlin69 · 11/06/2023 13:25

Againstmachine · 11/06/2023 12:45

Rubbish there are plenty of 12 year olds who are basically feral and act like twats.

I said some people on this thread exhibited Alice-like behaviour (she called her child a ‘tedious bitch’) and here is an example of why I think that; two grown women calling children disgusting names like ‘twat’.

It is never okay to call your child or anyone else’s child derogatory names as far as I’m concerned and actually I think most people agree given others have rightly been called out for this behaviour on this and the other thread for calling Ella names, this is no different.

Againstmachine · 11/06/2023 14:12

Of course 12 year olds can be twats and I will call any kid I want to a twat.

But no this is part of problem kids of 12 have terrorized people, committed arson, but no you can't call them a twat when all their behavior is twattish.

You must live a really sheltered lifestyle.

leilani83 · 11/06/2023 14:20

YANBU OP. Women always, always get the flak when relationships end, whatever the reason.

How dare Alice Evans express her hurt and have a public (probably menopausal) meltdown?? Doesn't she know that women are expected to simply fade into the background with 'dignity' when they have served their useful purpose to a man & the society = being young, pretty and available.

leilani83 · 11/06/2023 14:23

Alice Evans is the new Amber Heard now all the juice has been squeezed out of that story and Johnny Depp's career has had a boost.