Another dog attack

[Unsure33]

There is a horrific video on twitter of a young woman being attacked in east London by three dogs

owner in hoodie , pit bull types .

I am a dog owner but also have ended up in hospital after a dog attack and it made me feel sick

honestly I think we need dog licences , dog wardens and more accountability because the current laws don’t seem to be deterring people letting dogs off their leads and having no control . If it prices some owners out I am sorry tough luck . Dogs are expensive and there needs to be some more incentive to keep them under control .

I'm not sure what a fair solution is, but you don't just do something ineffective & unfair because it's all you can think of.

banning is not an effective solution

I’m fine with it, I didn’t set up the petition though.

So yes I’ll sign because I agree with it, I don’t need permission.

If others want to rally MPs another way by all means go ahead.

Better to take it as off these multiple threads with actual pressure as they are not doing anything to change the situation, which is why they keep reoccurring

Of course it is.

We ban lots of things. Mostly, it works. And we commit police to tackling the problem once and for all.

I loathe certain breeds (pit bulls, bully xl, etc.) and would be happy if they simply blinked out of existence. I realise that won't happen, but what I truly can't understand is these breeds' stubborn ardent defenders.

I have a favourite breed of dog, but if this breed were suddenly no longer available (especially due to a pattern of dangerous behaviour), I'd simply move on and find another breed to enjoy. They're so many others to choose from!

It’s a mental deficiency these people have, combined with either a need to look tough, like a lion tamer, or, they are the saviour complex types. It’s an obsession and I think they are addicted to their cause.

There are far safer breeds, and zero need for the mauly types whatsoever.

@SheSeIIsSeaShells they have destroyed 44 dogs around London so far this year

It’s a start. But these dogs have huge litters. Need to crack on a bit more.

We need action now from government

banning is not an effective solution

It’s been fairly effective. There are other ways to improve the legislation though, I agree. BSL is not the only way and shouldn’t be in isolation.

We banned smoking in public fairly successfully, didn’t we?

The reason the ban doesn’t work is because it is proactive rather than reactive. It waits for something awful to happen and then destroys the dog and (sometimes) prosecutes the owner. I’ve no desire to see people in prison after their dog has torn someone to unrecognisable shreds, I don’t want it to happen in the first place.

Some of the other options sound soft touch and I can’t see how they’d reach the people they need to

*reactive rather than proactive! It’s been a long day, and it’s not even one in the afternoon yet!

Exactly. Jail isn’t going to unmangle someone’s leg or face. Or undead the dead.

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I didn't search it out, it landed on my newsfeed

I don't think bringing back general licences will do any good at all. The sort of people that own these dogs are not going to bother with a licence. Anyway, who will police the licencing system? I am not sure what purpose you think they will serve.

I have said this many times before, and I will no doubt repeat it again, but the only way is ban dog breeding by anyone other than those regularly inspected and licenced. The cost of licences needs to be high enough to make it pay for itself. Only allow very selective importing of dogs for sound reasons (e.g. by a licenced breeder). All dogs to be microchipped and all dogs (other than those owned by licenced breeders) to be spayed/neutered by a certain age. Give dog wardens more powers to seize dogs and neuter or pts if not microchipped. Make it illegal to buy or sell a dog that isn't microchipped and accompanied by a veterinary certificate that states it was bred by a licenced breeder and is fit for sale.

This will obviously make dogs much more expensive to purchase. I don't see that as a bad thing. Dogs are horrendously bad for the environment in so many ways and so many are in rescues that I think we need to drastically reduce the number of dogs in circulation.

I am very much a dog lover (ex working for an animal shelter) so know how bad it is for so many dogs. I am sorry to say it, but many rescues are full of vicious dogs, often made that way by poor breeding or neglectful owners. Every dog born in this country deserves a good life here and that is not happening now, nor will it until dogs become more precious to us.

I agree with this 100%

Awful. I haven't read the full thread but all of these fighting dogs like xl bullies should be banned. They should seize them and humanely destroy them. It makes me laugh when I hear about these women owning pitbull types and thinking they can change them like when they date ex cons. They are complete fools and they are just asking for trouble.

E@SheSeIIsSeaShells

NO, it's not.

They struggle to correctly identify breeds.

People just breed new breeds (cross breeds of banned dogs).

there are many
issues with the idea of banning a load of breeds. It's not the answer.

Just ban anything that resembles a Pitbull, Akira, chow, etc. It's worth it for the safety of humans.

We slaughter billions of other animals, and dogs are no more worthy of life than cows, sheep, pigs, etc. Time to just stop with the glorification of dogs, and get sensible.

Also, we move to make breeding illegal.

Pit Bull crosses are already illegal. XL Bulleys were bred from Pit Bulls.
The government/ police could make it clear that breeding and crosses with banned breeds are illegal.

Most of the deaths are related to very few breeds and crosses. Particularly pit bulls/ bull dogs.

The UK legislation (see below) is already clear, but could be improved.
It’s not that complicated!

Dogs bred for fighting.(1)This section applies to—

(a)any dog of the type known as the pit bull terrier;

(b)any dog of the type known as the Japanese tosa; and

(c)any dog of any type designated for the purposes of this section by an order of the Secretary of State, being a type appearing to him to be bred for fighting or to have the characteristics of a type bred for that purpose.

They don’t care if someone has a banned breed until someone is killed or seriously hurt. Since it’s almost always the owner or the owners child, it’s seen as some sort of horrid Darwinism. And so of course people insist it doesn’t work, because the law is never enforced. If there were no fines, speeding cameras, points on licences, how many more people would speed?

People do go to prison for deaths after out of control dogs, the trouble is people who own them defend their right to do so and think harm won’t happen to them

A bit like guns in US, the owners are defensive over owning them

Yes, but that’s the point - no one is being proactive about it and seizing the dogs before a tragedy happens. It is always after. We need the law to be enforced, we need the message to be no, you cannot own these dogs. But because no one does, people do, and tragedies happen.

@SheSeIIsSeaShells

you are now being utterly ridiculous.

if you had your way we'd just ban dogs, full stop.