Another dog attack

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There is a horrific video on twitter of a young woman being attacked in east London by three dogs

owner in hoodie , pit bull types .

I am a dog owner but also have ended up in hospital after a dog attack and it made me feel sick

honestly I think we need dog licences , dog wardens and more accountability because the current laws don’t seem to be deterring people letting dogs off their leads and having no control . If it prices some owners out I am sorry tough luck . Dogs are expensive and there needs to be some more incentive to keep them under control .

No - I think you’ll find WE are the problem, sorry!! #awkward! Common denominator in creating shit aren’t we. God damn stupid, selfish, nasty little humans!

I don't think that anyone is objecting to Labradors or spaniels. People are specifically objecting to a class of dogs which are a) very powerful, and b) attract a certain sort of owner.

@UnfairReally

Maybe Rishi Sunak should get one. Reduce the street cred of these dogs overnight

best suggestion in a very long time!!

To the person who said dog lovers are blind to the problem , that’s not true . We actually feel threatened as well when out walking . If a dog goes for ours and we intervene we are at risk as well . And responsible owners are getting a bad name for no reason . . But would I be willing to pay as a dog owner if I thought it would make a difference to have more dog wardens and prosecute bad dog owners yes I would .

it’s a shame if all dogs have to be in a lead unless say in enclosed dog walking areas , but that might help . But reading about that poor boy , what a tragedy, that was in someone’s home , as was the lady in her 70s this week . So I don’t know all the answers but keeping lobbying the gov whilst they are opening up consultations seems worth while . Something is not working .

But there in lies the problem we would be accused of classism or something similar .

it is difficult .

Somebody has been really hurt and all you care about is people just moaning about dogs. Let me guess you are a dog owner and feel personally attacked. Pathetic.

I always wonder what type of people go 'oooh, a woman getting mauled by a dog, yes please, I'll watch that video'. Imagine being filmed on one of the worst days of your life, vulnerable, hurt and people sit around and watch it. Why? What drives you to click play?

I know it's not the point of the thread but it's really grim that people feel compelled to do this and I'm not sure what moral highground you think you have when you watch this kind of thing in your free time.

Incredible. People are getting mauled and/or killed on an almost weekly basis now. All the cute little XL's bought during lockdown are growing up and finding their feet, jaws and claws. Maybe it's not AI we needed to be worried about . . .

I don’t think it is necessarily the case that people intentionally raise dogs to be aggressive, although of course they sometimes do. But when you look at the breeds involved in fatalities, it’s a very limited type and is overwhelmingly bull breeds, encompassing pit bulls (purportedly banned) but more recently American bulldogs and XL Bullies, along with SBTs.

There is so much misguided propaganda out there about these breeds, how good they are with children, how gentle they are, how they are ‘nanny dogs’ I don’t know if people are just swallowing the myth or not. It’s so odd; you always get stories of what someone’s grans spaniel did or tales of nasty Labs, but no one is trying to argue that some breeds don’t bite, it’s specifically killing humans that is limited to a tiny number of breeds.

As always, it’s a class issue. If XL Bullies were roaming the streets of middle England something would be done but as it is, they are tucked away on dreary council estates and so since they are only killing chavs and children of the chavs, no one gives a shit

To the person who said dog lovers are blind to the problem , that’s not true . We actually feel threatened as well when out walking . If a dog goes for ours and we intervene we are at risk as well . And responsible owners are getting a bad name for no reason. But would I be willing to pay as a dog owner if I thought it would make a difference to have more dog wardens and prosecute bad dog owners yes I would .

Totally agree with this.

I am dog savvy and would still give an XL bully a wide berth. I wouldn't want one myself. If the breed went vamoosh tomorrow it would have no impact on my life at all.

So when I debate that BSL will not work, it's not because I am defensive. It's not because I don't want anything to happen. It's because I genuinely believe it will not work. Because I know that as soon as this breed is banned, the same thing will happen as happend before: new breeds will be create/morphed/warped and will emerge as the new canine-weapons-of-choice. In the meantime, genuinely innocent dogs and owners will have their lives torn apart as they get caught in the cross fire. Just as has happened before.

Now if there were a proposal for a scheme where you had to qualify to own a dog. Like you do a licence to drive a car. I am all for that. If it mandated public liability insurance as a qualifying criteria: I am all for that. That will, of course, penalise those who cannot afford it. Which is a shame, because dogs actually bring a huge amount of health and welfare benefit to a lot of people - without which we may have to accept greater pressure on mental health services (for example).

Just as with cars, we will still have people who ignore that law. But it may help the naive families who take on a dog assuming it will be ok...

We always adjust and adapt and add to the law as new things are invented. Otherwise we would have no laws relating to technology at all. ‘They will create a new breed’ so let them create a new breed, and ban it once it becomes obvious it is dangerous.

We always adjust and adapt and add to the law as new things are invented. Otherwise we would have no laws relating to technology at all. ‘They will create a new breed’ so let them create a new breed, and ban it once it becomes obvious it is dangerous.

The problem with that is that it will always be retrospective. People (children, most likely) will die or be hurt to bring a new breed onto the list.

It's not fair to them to be the sacrificial lambs that trigger a new breed addition and I cannot accept them being so. We need to stop this at the root, not just in reaction all the time.

Plus, the obvious get around for those that want to, is to then create a 'breed' that has a wide variety of physical characteristics - so that the law can never pin down exactly what type of dog they are meant to be banning.

It's not a given that all dangerous dogs will have similar enough features, to be enshrined in law. Leg length variety (for exmaple) can easily be achieved. Especially with the backroom genetic labratories these criminals are using to create these 'breeds' to start with.

I agree with some of what you saying. As a dog owner I am scared of the bully type dogs, and of their owners, both for my and my dogs' safety.

I however disagree that all dogs should be on the lead in public. It's a specific type of dog and owner that is the problem, and that should be dealt with.

Also, in most attacks the dogs were known to the victims, they were either their their family pets or friends' dogs.

A knee jerk reaction which will result in Labradors, retrievers and spaniels being leashed won't stop the dangers posed by bullies and other "trophy" dogs. And it won't deter their owners.

I know, and it would be nice to think we can totally prevent that but I am not sure how. It is much the same with things like DBS checks: harm has to be done before something is flagged on a DBS. I do think that when a breed has killed what, ten people in two years, the fact it hasn’t been banned is absolutely appalling.

"Stan rawlinson dog behaviour expert says xl bullies van kill in a minuets, the death of rate is high rocketing and will get worse, I won't go near one, xl bullies are very very reactive, like roman dogs of war. They a re not an official breed end it's impossible to track them.

Peta said all xl bullies should be spayed or neuter. Breed to bull baiting not a family pet. Hard to distract once in prey mode.
Breed selectivity bred for baiting. No matter what owner is like which could make them even worse they are bred to kill.

Dr Lawrence did a report on criminology and xl bullies, huge risk today children, even with the good caring owners.

Genetics mean they Csnt communicate like other dogs.

Right now, on Gum Tree there are a number of XL bullies 1 year+ for sale at prices that are now very cheap for dogs. The descriptions of many are 'worrying' ("needs a lot of training", "has not been mixed with other dogs", "my child is scared of him"), dogs with mutilated ears which is illegal in this country and in some, the dog has been posed with kids to make them seem kid friendly. God knows where these dogs will end up.

We'd do well to ban dog sales on Gum Tree, I think.

they are tucked away on dreary council estates and so since they are only killing chavs and children of the chavs, no one gives a shit

Yes I was thinking that if a prominent person/ politician’s child was attacked the government would take action immediately.

Experts starting the call to ban these breeds. Note the reactive comment. There is no safe way to own this breed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12168827/American-Bully-XL-killer-breed-record-number-fatal-dog-attacks.html

Big article in mail today. Many children left without a parent and one of 5 boys left orphans due to a patent dying because it this dog.

Interesting to note some of the people killed by their own XLs were experienced dog owners.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/04/american-bully-dog-breed-spotlight-uk-fatal-attacks

To the person who said dog lovers are blind to the problem , that’s not true . We actually feel threatened as well when out walking .

Not sure if this is aimed at me. But if so, you are paraphrasing a bit. I said the dog lovers who don’t want to see another dog attack thread because it offends them are part of the problem. I also said that they should be listening loud and clear to the problem instead of not wanting to know. They’re too wrapped up in their love for dogs to recognise that this thread isn’t a dog bashing thread at all. Hence why they are part of the problem… too defensive of dogs.

You are not part of the problem OP.

Every single fucking 'celebrity' pictured has a mutilated dog with them.

That is
a) a dog that learned very early on that humans can cause extreme pain and cannot be trusted
and
b) a dog that cannot use it's ears properly to communicate

Seriously, shame on them all for promoting such an injury. For being so wrapped up in their own image they don't give a shit about the dog or about people who attempt to copy them.

All bully breeds have to be exterminated. I'm done with living in fear of exactly such an attack. These Staffordshire Bull Terriers and other bully breeds are not worth the risk. I don't understand why the police can't crack down on them and uphold the 1991 legislation. Poor girl. She'll be severely damaged.

I’m half expecting someone to come along and say, “Not all dogs are like that.” because it wounds them to see people talk negatively about dogs.

Doesn’t alter the fact that the dogs who are like that, are. We’re not on about your well behaved dogs. If your dog is well behaved and you are a good owner instead of an entitled dopey one then this thread isn’t about your dog, is it?