Holly Willoughby needs to go

[Bucketheadbucketbum]

Her actions and non actions throughout this whole saga makes it abundantly clear shes clearly just a fake nice person, how disappointed . She needs to go now

Well this is exactly why some people are so annoyed that the two of them have sat, often judging guests on their show and doing this holier than thou act. When they both have a penchant for less than advisable hobbies.

Fern presented around the time that I was a student and regular viewer. She is a brilliant presenter - whether it is morning TV or ReadySteadyCook, she absolutely elevated those shows. PS was not a patch on her and as for Holly, she does not even leave the start line.

Most celebrities are putting on a show, or personality because that's their job it's nothing new. I don't think she should be held guilty by association though.

I haven't watched This Morning since the early 2000s. But this situation does interest me because of the influence TM has on UK culture, clearly.

I completely agree. Fern is, by all accounts, a genuinely nice person too.

Get a life @Bucketheadbucketbum

There’s no way she couldn’t have known, even if he lied to her. When there’s so many rumours and you work that closely with someone, you just know.

But, there’s a lot more problematic people at ITV, behind the scenes, than Holly. And a lot more problematic men in that business in general than Holly. She’s done what she has so that she keeps her career. If you want to keep your career, you keep your gob shut. It’s really hard to win against big corporations. All the people that covered for Schofield are currently still there, what is she meant to do?

I agree. If Holly should go then so should all the executives at ITV 🤷🏻‍♀️

It is in Holly's interests to save the whole, damned show. If it goes down, there is a lot which will come out about her hard partying. She needs to do everything she can to keep the show on air.

I agree that the tight-knit team in the dressing room that PS referenced in his interview are at the heart of the toxicity. Lines, beer goggles, a kind of spin-the-bottle/truth-or-dare type of intimacy established over years where they all know enough to bring down any one of them.

hard partying?

Have you considered possibly getting a life?

Thinking a presenter is like their onscreen persona is like thinking Daniel Radcliffe can actually do magic. Whatever HW's feelings on PS were over the time they worked together, it was always her job to be his BFF onscreen.

I don't think it's really clear what HW knew for sure and turned a blind eye to. It does sound like PS had a real stranglehold on people in TM and the set was dysfunctional and toxic.

If HW has done something really awful, then of course she should go, but I don't think she should be caught up in it because "she must have known X, she must have helped cover up Y" with no proof!

The show should end.

I agree she's as fake as they come. If she had any integrity she would've quit weeks ago.

I think a new daytime show with Fern and Ruth would be just the ticket.

Like it or not, This Morning has the clart of shite about it now.

The yap about all being ‘family’ and asking ‘if we are ok?’ is a nonsense.

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Re her 'niceness' or lack of it, none of us know how nice or not she is in real life, and frankly, it's irrelevant. If she's interviewing someone who's had a terrible time, she's paid to 'be nice' to them, whether she feels compassionate or not.
I work with people, some have mental health needs, some I dislike, but I'm paid to be compassionate, supportive and equal in how I work with everyone. So that's what I do, does that make me 'fake'?
Niceness, real or not, is just a non-starter of a criticism, true or not.

As to whether she 'knew' or not, anyone who's not closely investigated it has no idea what she did or didn't know. As an example, about two decades ago I worked in a team of about 10 people, it was an intense job and we were very open and honest with each other about our lives and feelings, not something I enjoyed tbh, but it kind of helped, I think.

Anyway, that's not the point, the point is that it was 'common knowledge' in another team that two of my colleagues were sleeping with each other. They weren't/couldn't be for various reasons, rotas, hobbies (me and one of them did a sponsored bike ride on one of the weekends they apparently went away together) but not least of all the sexuality of the woman concerned being utterly incompatible with the 'known' relationship. Still, everyone outside of our team 'knew' it was true.

And then, a decade later we found out that two other members of the team were having an affair. None of us knew, none of us thought they were anything but friends.

My long-winded point is that regardless of what outsiders like us may be certain that we know, that people closer than us must have known, that previous patterns of behaviour must indicate is true... the thing is that we. don't. know. what. she. knew.

She may be an awful person who knew every facet of what he did, or she may have been successfully blindsided and lied to or she may have had suspicions but avoided them out of guilt, out of cowradice, out of career pragmatism or out of diplomacy. Again, we. don't. know.

Yes, this is a discussion forum, but there's times when discussion morphs into plain self-righteous gossiping

Does any of that apply to HW?

I don't think she is horrible. I absolutely commend her for giving it a shot without him. She might feel that he forced her into his shadow and this is her first chance to step out of it. However, she has obvious limitations as a presenter and journalist so she will need to work hard.

A lot of the people who preach the be kind bollocks end up being nasty, toxic bullies, themselves!

As said on the PS thread, perhaps we’re all getting fed up of indirectly paying, through the cost of goods, for these people to have extremely high salaries. That I’ve had enough of.

Her presenting skills are meh, I think schofe was probably carrying her. Her days on TM are numbered (by virtue of the show itself's days being numbered). I saw Martin Frizell's comments earlier, what a twonk he came across as!

So my co-worker has an affair, that I may or may not have had suspicions about but I need to be fired? Wise up.

For gods sake she is a woman trying to make a success of her career. Why should she be brought down by PS? Let her get in with it. Let's not claw her down.

You have no idea - you see her persona on Tv … Phil crossed a line . Do you quit your job for someone else doing something wrong at work .