Brexit was a disaster. So why don't people vote Lib Dem?

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Now that the people who voted Brexit are realising they were lied to, what is the point of them swinging back to Labour - a party which consistently evaded taking a coherent stance on Brexit for fear of losing certain voters? How are they any better than the Tories on this issue? The Lib Dems were and still are the only party with an anti-Brexit policy. AIBU to think Labour have shown themselves to be just as disingenuous and full of 'career politicians' as the Tories? At least the Lib Dems were honest and straightforward on this issue?

You’re part of the problem then. They need to be educated on biology and the multiple disadvantages women experience based on their biology.

'In what way do uou think Brexit has been a disaster?'

Well removing ourselves from the largest free trade block in the world was never going to be a genius move, was it?

Some people were under the delusion that Brexit would stop illegal immigration. Obviously not - the clue is in the 'illegal.'

Oh look, it's a struggle to find people to work in the agricultural / processing sectors.

Queues at passport control - yay!

Businesses / start-ups going under - yay again!

Customs taxes when ordering / sending goods to other European countries. Hurray!

Freedom of movement made more hassle - for what?

Everything that's been said already. They enabled Cameron and they don't know what a woman is. Plus I was working in a central govt dept in 2010, and the LDs were very enthusiastic indeed about austerity.

"You’re part of the problem then. They need to be educated on biology and the multiple disadvantages women experience based on their biology."

A lot of teens / young people won't even entertain the debate. If you dare to question the current prevailing online / social media narrative you are 'transphobic.' That's it. Cancelled! This is where we are at.

Don't disagree with you at all OP but doesn't the fact that the lib Dems handed Cameron the power to create Brexit matter at all?

If the LibDems were in coalition with Labour and Labour carried out most of what was on their manifesto, would the LibDems be accused of "enabling Labour"?

The Libdems were the minor party in a coalition. They didn't see student loans as a hill worth dying on, and nor should they have.

Of course in that scenario they would be enabling labour by creating a coalition government.

@Florenz the point is that they directly appealed to left leaning voters to get the votes & then put the Tories in. That’s why people feel betrayed. If they had said that they would put the Tories in then they wouldn’t have won the number of seats they did.

They don't want to run the country though

There's nothing left leaning about cancelling student loans. It benefits the wealthy at the expense of the poor.

I don't think LD's knowingly 'handed Cameron the power to create Brexit'. I blame UKIP and I don't think Farage would have ever shut up until there was a referendum. He'd still be at it now. Tories were scared of losing votes to UKIP. UKIP were able to capitalise on voter dissatisfaction following years of austerity and persuade certain voters it was all because of EU immigration / taking back control / sovereignty and all that bollocks. Those voters now have less 'control' than ever.

Because they cancelled my direct debit and kicked me out of the party for querying whether Baroness Featherstone's statements on whether feminists were welcome in the party were official party policy or not. This was in 2019: www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/05/feminists-not-welcome-lib-dems-unless-support-gender-neutral/

And I'd been a paid up member since the proportional representation referendum in 2011!

But the Tories did not have a majority. The Libs could have chosen either & they chose the Tories. There were other factors but that was pretty decisive. I don’t understand how LD voters have the brass neck to
appeal to remainders or Labour voters at all.

Remainers not remainders!

the LDs have to appeal to both former Labour and former Tory voters.

There aren't any remainers anymore, Brexit happened. I guess "remainers" would be the former Brexiters nowadays, who want Britain to remain out of the EU.

Labour would have had to allign themselves with several other parties to form a coalition in 2010. Liberals, SNP and others. It wasn't really practical.

I'm going to vote Lib Dem. I've supported them since 2017 because of their stance on Brexit.

No point dwelling on the past, Clegg and Swinson have gone, the Party has learnt from and owned their part in the coalition and their deputy leader Daisy Cooper is impressive.

Unpopular view about the coalition but I also think they lessened the damage that the Tories could do in government, and, contrary to popular belief, did implement much of their 2010 manifesto. Gay marriage, universal free school meals for infants, pupil premium, plastic bag tax, green infrastructure and a pile of civil liberties and social justice reforms to name a few.

I don't agree with everything they say and do, but I the whole I find them pragmatic and sensible.

Well there you are. They don’t believe in anything & will say anything to get people to vote for them. We’re in agreement. LOL at ‘there aren’t any remainers anymore’ - perhaps you would prefer the term ‘returners’? Because they definitely exist.

Did the LD’s try to make an alternative coalition work then? Nope.

What did Corbyn do to stop Brexit - particularly in 'Red Wall' constituencies? Absolutely nothing - he was pathetic. His non-committal evasiveness was tantamount to support in my view. Even today, Starmer won't say what he actually thinks.

Sorry, I missed the bit where Corbyn was actually in the government…

Seriously couldn’t give two hoots over any party’s stance on trans issues. So many other massive things to worry about and vote for.

I will never forgive the Lib Dem’s for what they did during the coalition and will never vote for them again. Always voted Lib Dem previously. Weak liars who got in to bed with the Tories and shafted the country. They enabled Brexit and have made life a lot harder for my teens.Labour is the only option and frankly don’t think they could do any worse than the Tories handling anything.At least they actually care about normal people and don’t put the common good a long way behind lining their friend’s pockets and anti Europe obsession.

This! They blew their one and only chance to be a serious Parliamentary contender.

How has Brexit been the cause of the boats?
Struggle to find people to work for peanuts is a big plus
Queues at passport control-not been my experience, but hardly a big thing us it?
Restrictions in freedom of movement has enhanced the wages and working conditions of people in very low paid work enormously. They can now pick and choose!

Corbyn would never clarify his view on Brexit. As leader of the opposition that was shocking.

They all enabled it - the Conservatives for bowing to UKIP and the LDs and Labour for being too weak. It was a perfect storm, or rather shit show all round.

But we are where we are and even now, Starmer will still not be honest about his views on Brexit (or what a woman is). Useless.

Because they believe that social care should be free for everyone, regardless of wealth.

Even Farage himself now says Brexit has been an economic failure.