Brexit was a disaster. So why don't people vote Lib Dem?

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Now that the people who voted Brexit are realising they were lied to, what is the point of them swinging back to Labour - a party which consistently evaded taking a coherent stance on Brexit for fear of losing certain voters? How are they any better than the Tories on this issue? The Lib Dems were and still are the only party with an anti-Brexit policy. AIBU to think Labour have shown themselves to be just as disingenuous and full of 'career politicians' as the Tories? At least the Lib Dems were honest and straightforward on this issue?

Rishi Sunak has recently. Pink News were not impressed

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/02/03/rishi-sunak-piers-morgan-interview-trans-woman/

Well I'm not a Tory (currently very much homeless on the political front) but in answer to your question Rishi Sunak said 100% of women don't have a penis, which is a pretty good start

Davey says some women clearly have a penis. Stupid what?

Nick Clegg isn't an issue due he because he's no longer in the party is he?

I expect the Lib Dems will be our best bet for voting tactically in our Tory heartland constituency and in my parents in the New Forest.

I will vote Labour if the polls etc suggest they have more chance of beating our Tory MP.

The Lib Dems hate women.
The Libe Dems says prostitution is work and should be legalized.
The Lib Dems took money from pharma that push transexualism.
The Lib Dems ignored safeguarding -Aimee Challenor, yes. But also general women and children safeguarding.
The Lib Dems continually vote to remove women's safe spaces - see Cambridge Lib Dem council and their illegal acts.
The Lib Dems threw away everything for power with the Tories.
The Lib Dems refuse to admit they did anything wrong and make out it was all Nick Clegg.

I'm so angry I can't vote Labour because Kier does not know what a woman is, Davey thinks some women clearly have a penis and I hate snake Sunak so for the first time since I was 18 I won't vote.

No way could I vote LibDems, as it’s a total waste of a vote where I live. Straight run of Labour or Conservative or spoil the ballot paper

This. They had it in their manifesto to cancel student loan then they actual helped the tories hike them to the highest rate they’d ever been at. They seem quite unprincipled- not that any of the parties are beacons of morality but I feel Lib Dem’s literally jump on any bandwagon.

I haven't heard Starmer bring himself to state what a woman is?

Yes this. A great pity Sharron Davies does not stand. She would get a lot of votes.

I remember those services, I can’t believe how fast the torydems moved to eradicate them.

He’s hoping people won’t talk about it

In what way do uou think Brexit has been a disaster?

I have three teens who alarmingly, don't seem to know what a woman is either. It's the zeitgeist of cancel culture. But they'll realise soon enough.

Don't disagree with what others are saying about identification of women. Bringing it back to your original position though OP. Can you not see that the lib Dems put Cameron into position to set the Brexit nightmare in motion. They can oppose it all they like. They enabled it. I wouldn't vote for them again ever for the crap that went off after 2010 and I'm as anti-Brexit as you can get.

The arguments for why people don't vote lib dem have been listed here multiple times and more eloquently than I could.

My Grandad was a hard working true lib dem Councillor for 25 years and lost his seat after the lib dems got in with the tories thanks to Clegg. He was devastated and remains so with how the party has turned into tory-lite. Interestingly his local constituents were then unhappy with how things were being run and wanted him to pick up their complaints. Which he refused of course. The lib dems betrayed their hard working local representatives to get in bed with the tories and for that pathetic power grab I would never vote for them again.

Um...

Because they won't win. I want green. They won't win. So all I get to choose is Tory or not Tory (labour).

Who will win in your constituency if a lot of people do the same?

I would probably vote Green if I didn't think getting the Tories out was top priority.

Looking at the increase in Green councillors I think the time when we start having more than one Green MP is coming.

Corbyn has always been anti - EU because cheap labour coming from Europe reduces wages for the working class. That has been widely discussed in the press. Starmer is a bit more vague but his general policy is to remain out but have a trade agreement that means we are effectively in ... Better than the current situation but not as good as our previous situation.

I want to vote for a party that actually wants to sort out homelessness, enable and normalise social housing builds, the necessary health services to enable people to stay housed. Reducing the need for private landlords receiving payments.
I want to vote for a party that will overhaul our police and make it attractive job prospect for decent people, not rotten apples.
I want to vote for a party that values education for all from the lowest ability to the highest and pays teachers to attract the best.
I want to vote for a party that knows what men and women are. If you don't know, you shouldn't be left to run a tap, never mind a country.

Yes, this is the problem due to the first past the post system. If we had proportional representation then we could vote for any party and votes would not be wasted if not for the main 1 or 2 parties in any particular constituency. I live in an area that's strongly labour. I support labour but my vote is equally pointless as there's no further benefit once more than about 40% have voted labour (it's usually more like 80% labour here)

You want me to vote for a party whose leader thinks that 'Clearly, a woman can have a penis?'

Ed Davey