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Original poster

Brexit was a disaster. So why don't people vote Lib Dem?

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worldstillturns · 31/05/2023 20:18

Now that the people who voted Brexit are realising they were lied to, what is the point of them swinging back to Labour - a party which consistently evaded taking a coherent stance on Brexit for fear of losing certain voters? How are they any better than the Tories on this issue? The Lib Dems were and still are the only party with an anti-Brexit policy. AIBU to think Labour have shown themselves to be just as disingenuous and full of 'career politicians' as the Tories? At least the Lib Dems were honest and straightforward on this issue?

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ghostyslovesheets · 31/05/2023 21:09

Because I worked for Connexions in 2010 - for all it's faults the universal service for young people did a lot of very positive things - including crime prevention/edge of care support/youth clubs/NEET support/help for young people in poverty crisis AND universal, impartial careers advice for young people - one of the very first thing that shower of shits and their friends did is get rid of us and the 'Every Child Matters' agenda (sure start/book start etc) - they have, as a result, removed vital support services for young people and their families - I will never forgive them for choosing power over the good of the people of this country

and they think woman have cocks

ThinWomansBrain · 31/05/2023 21:10

because without PR, the UK's undemocratic FPTP electoral system, they don't stand any chance of having a meaningful number of MPs

SilentHedges · 31/05/2023 21:10

IMustDoMoreExercise · 31/05/2023 20:19

Because they don't know what a woman is.

Yep, failure to understand what a woman is, is a vote loser.

Also, regardless of how you voted in the EU Referendum, the Liberal Democrats insistence that a vote should be over turned, because they didn't like the result, is anything but Democratic.

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worldstillturns · 31/05/2023 21:15

As far as I can tell, no party seems to know what a woman is. Such are the times we live in. I think there will have to be an inevitable backlash (let's hope so anyway). I'm hoping it's just a phase... As soon as the TikTok generation wakes up to this nonsense the politicians will change their tune. It's always about votes over principles.

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BlackForestCake · 31/05/2023 21:20

Because they would put the Tories into power again, like they did last time.

stepstepstep · 31/05/2023 21:21

I hate the Tories & everything they stand for, I never have and never ever will vote for them. In 2010 I was promised that tactical voting would be the path to a left-leaning government and yet AND YET instead the Lib Dems gifted us the last 15 years of Tory rule, complete with Brexit. So for betraying my trust and that of hundreds of thousands of others I actually loathe the Lib Dems more.

rfr · 31/05/2023 21:23

FasterthanBolt · 31/05/2023 20:20

Cos I have never forgiven Nick Clegg for going back on practically every Lib Dem promise when he went into a coalition with the Torys

Same. Despite all the student votes he got because he was going to abolish tuition fees, he went and tripled them and added interés on top!!! The fee increase didn't affect me personally, but I though that was appalling.

Fluffyhoglets · 31/05/2023 21:24

Makegoodchoices · 31/05/2023 20:31

Next time I vote it’ll be the first time I don’t vote Lib Dem. Again, because of the penis comments. I just can’t vote for someone that goes along with that nonsense.

Before I felt they’d had a bad deal in the press - as soon as the coalition ended we saw how much effect they had actually had on stopping the Tories. Everything got so much worse, so fast as soon as they had ‘free rein’.

But because they'd been watering the tories down people thought it safe to vote tory. They got the majority and that enabled Brexit.
If Clegg hadn't got into bed with Cameron in 2010 we'd still be in the EU.
So its a bit late to be opposing it now.
Alot of anti-tory voters who don't need to vote libdem tactically to get the tories out - will never risk lending them their vote again.
The expectation was that libdems would form a coalition with labour if they did well - but they didn't. They went straight for the tories.

Florenz · 31/05/2023 21:24

Why don't Rejoiners start their own party if they think there's so many people who agree with them?

Larner · 31/05/2023 21:24

Last time they were in power things didn't work out so well for us.

CharlottenBurger · 31/05/2023 21:24

FasterthanBolt · 31/05/2023 20:20

Cos I have never forgiven Nick Clegg for going back on practically every Lib Dem promise when he went into a coalition with the Torys

Double this. I'm lucky I live in a rock solid Labour constituency so won't need to search my soul about tactically voting Lib Dem to help keep the Tories out. I daresay the Lib Dems have learned their lesson but the 2010 coalition reminded me that they are basically pink Tories.

CharlottenBurger · 31/05/2023 21:25

Florenz · 31/05/2023 21:24

Why don't Rejoiners start their own party if they think there's so many people who agree with them?

Not such a bad idea.

Florenz · 31/05/2023 21:27

Change UK were basically an anti-Brexit party. They were around for about 8 months in 2019.

SidewaysOtter · 31/05/2023 21:28

Because if the leader thinks a woman can have a penis, what else are they going to be colossally wrong on?

FatCatBum · 31/05/2023 21:28

People have no idea who Lib Dems are now or what they stand for (embarrassingly I had absolutely no idea who the leader of the Lib Dems is, I thought it was still Jo Swinson 🤣)

The only thing I've heard about them in the last few years is that they have been well and truly captured by all the gender nonsense and as a result I don't have any interest in exploring things further, they are just an automatic no

Florenz · 31/05/2023 21:29

And why do people vote for the Lib Dems and consider it to be an "Anti-Tory" vote? They're an independent party. They aren't just a Labour party side project. They're no more Anti-Tory than they are Anti-Labour.

BobsYerAunty · 31/05/2023 21:30

None of them know what a woman is.
I have no idea what they stand for.
They seem to lurch whichever way the wind blows at each election.

I wouldn’t even consider wasting my vote on this shower.

ForTheSakeOfThePenguin · 31/05/2023 21:30

I guess people have not yet forgiven them for not blocking the tories when they raised university fees and then changed student loans to screw up further underprivileged students.

Or maybe people have forgotten but we enjoy being stupid voting for the tories over and over again 😁

Theeyeballsinthesky · 31/05/2023 21:34

they enabled the Tories in 2010 & were stupid to believe that the Tories wouldn’t fuck them over with the Alternative Vote fiasco

add that too their total capture by radical TRAs & no they can get in the fucking sea

JediIsMyMaster · 31/05/2023 21:34

Florenz · 31/05/2023 21:29

And why do people vote for the Lib Dems and consider it to be an "Anti-Tory" vote? They're an independent party. They aren't just a Labour party side project. They're no more Anti-Tory than they are Anti-Labour.

In my area they’re the only party with an outside chance of ousting the Tories - Labour don’t get anywhere at all here. So the “anti-Tory” vote naturally would go to them.

I actually wish there was a credible centrist party, but we don’t have that at all in the UK.

Srin · 31/05/2023 21:34

Lib Dems wanted an in/out referendum way back in 2008 (or thereabouts). Wasn’t it once a manifesto promise of theirs? I know they are pro EU, but it would be a bit hypocritical to go back on this one.

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worldstillturns · 31/05/2023 21:34

So which one of our great party leaders is actually prepared to make a definitive statement on what a woman is? None of them, as far as I can tell. They are all as bad as each other on this.

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lakesummer · 31/05/2023 21:35

I used to be a party member and even stood for a council seat when asked.
But they made it clear that they didn't want gender critical women in the party.

Oblomov23 · 31/05/2023 21:36

Because they are just too weak to be a serious contender, so practically a wasted vote, which is a shame.

Florenz · 31/05/2023 21:36

There should have been a referendum long ago. If Labour had had one between 1997 and 2007, Remain would have probably won.

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