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'ADHD is the result of bad parenting?'

296 replies

porridgeisbae · 26/05/2023 19:15

Does anyone here believe in that anymore? Admittedly I don't chat to many people outside of MN, but I hadn't even thought of that idea for a while- someone laid into me about it when I hadn't thought it was due to the parents for a moment in that discussion, I was just seeing it as a neurological difference.

I have some non-NT traits myself.

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Blort · 26/05/2023 20:40

Beekdet · 26/05/2023 20:37

Problems managing ADHD later in life can be exacerbated by bad parenting. Constantly telling a child they aren't good enough or trying hard enough to meet their potential when they can't help the way they are will have negative effects.

Bad parents don't support issues in the necessary ways.

Bad parenting or shit society and schooling?

Lets be fair who's really complaining about concentration etc? It's all the teachers in class not parents who supervise "free play".

Blort · 26/05/2023 20:41

RoseRobot · 26/05/2023 20:07

Me too @Blort. I remember a boyfriend giving me two ProPlus tablets so we could enjoy an all-nighter, I fell immediately into a deep sleep and couldn't be woken. As an adult of nearly 60, I've never been diagnosed, but I have tried a friend's Concerta when they found it didn't help them, and was struck by how calm and focused I felt and how I didn't want to eat or fidget non-stop. In no way was I agitated or speedy on it. I felt chilled and clear-headed. I am so envious of people with a diagnosis. I'd bloody love to take Concerta every day. It would change my life.

There is time yet!!!

Go see your GP.

snowbellsxox · 26/05/2023 20:44

Surprised tv hasn't been mentioned! Haha

I do think diets related to it ..
some ingredients listed these days, well just Google them and you'll see Blush
my opinion only

WonderingWanda · 26/05/2023 20:44

It's nothing to do with bad parenting.

However, as a teacher I think children from dysfunctional families often get diagnosis for adhd faster. The lack of nurture /structure in some households mean the child struggles more and gets noticed faster. Imagine 2 children with adhd, both with the inattentive type. Child A lives in a chaotic home with no books, they are shouted at regularly, stay up late, no one checks their school bag or makes them lunch. That child comes to school tired, lacking in equipment and hungry and this exacerbates their adhd symptoms. Child B lives in a more nurturing home where their parents hug them when they've had a bad day, read books with them, pack their school bag, read their school newsletter and discuss their current topic at home, they have routines are well fed and get lots of sleep That child goes to school and copes better, they miss things in class but they are quiet and struggle on, the teacher doesn't notice or just thinks they aren't very bright.

porridgeisbae · 26/05/2023 20:45

@RoseRobot An NHS consultant told me that people with ADHD have more risk of dementia in later life. The pills might help you care for your cognitive function- as well as improving it if they suit you of course.

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snowbellsxox · 26/05/2023 20:45

I'm sure there was something in a particular brand of fish fingers over here that caused these sort of symptoms

Look at some of the ingredients in food these days it's shocking! Poison for the mind!

Somanycats · 26/05/2023 20:47

Children who have experienced poor parenting exhibit ADHD much more often than children who have experienced adequate parenting. I don't think anyone professionals dispute that. That's not to say ADHD can't arise even with excellent parenting, but it is very much more common in children who have been abused, neglected, in the care system etcetc

porridgeisbae · 26/05/2023 20:47

I think the foods/drinks causing ADHD symptoms thing is a myth really.

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snowbellsxox · 26/05/2023 20:48

Well I once had one of those monster drinks and I'm an angel at work, that same afternoon I was given a warning and suspended! Grin

gogohmm · 26/05/2023 20:50

The symptoms of adhd, autism etc have more than one cause. Sometimes it is congenital, sometimes caused by a condition or syndrome but unfortunately sometimes it's environmental/circumstances.

Sianthomasisnothererightnow · 26/05/2023 20:50

snowbellsxox · 26/05/2023 20:48

Well I once had one of those monster drinks and I'm an angel at work, that same afternoon I was given a warning and suspended! Grin

Is this meant to be a joke about neurodivergent behaviour?

Thedogscollar · 26/05/2023 20:51

snowbellsxox · 26/05/2023 20:48

Well I once had one of those monster drinks and I'm an angel at work, that same afternoon I was given a warning and suspended! Grin

If you aren't capable of an adult discussion just stop posting. You aren't funny you just come across as appallingly ignorant.

TaraRhu · 26/05/2023 20:52

There are always people who want reasons for their kids not being how they want them to be. Those kids generally don't have adhd. Their parents just want a reason or excuse.

Back in my day it was dyslexia everyone tested for. My mums friend had a lovely but not academic kid. He just wasn't very bright. She had him tested fur dyslexia about 100 times and never believed it when the result was negative

MrTiddlesTheCat · 26/05/2023 20:53

Also worth pointing out that ADHD meds cause a very serious decline in behaviour if given to someone who doesn't actually have ADHD. So all these allegedly poorly parented kids being misdiagnosed would soon be spotted.

Allwelcone · 26/05/2023 20:54

RoseRobot · 26/05/2023 20:02

No it isn't. I am an excellent parent. I know this because I dedicated my life to becoming one. Despite having ADHD myself I was a very organised mum and ensured my DC always had clean clothes, shoes that fitted, mufti on the right day, correct kits for school and scout trips etc. I always checked their school bags, helped with homework, changed their beds, cleaned and decorated their rooms. They had freshly cooked meals every day, got read stories and sung songs every night. I played with them, hugged them, played silly games with them, had a lot of giggles with them, listened to them and comforted them when they struggled, acceptesd them for who they were and never tried to mould them, but encouraged them to work hard at school and fitness, so they could make the most of who they were. I took them out to build dens and climb trees, to fairs and shows, museums and castles etc. They had regular playdates and sleepovers, and as they became teens we went to gigs and festivals, comedy shows, long haul holidays and had pizza film nights at home. I thought about how to be a good mum practically every minute of every day because I was so bloody scared my ADHD and depression would make me unintentionally neglectful. It took all my focus and I had little energy for anything else.

But DS2 has ADHD.

I'm sure it's hereditary. My mum had ADHD. She was chaotic and neglectful of us physically (never had clean clothes or shoes that fitted or gloves and coats in winter etc. We were always grubby, late for school, unaware of what we should bring to lessons and day trips and even crucial exams!) But she was also very loving, made loads of efforts to do things for us, like baking birthday cakes, making clothes and toys, helping with our revision, taking us out for the day, singing to us. I aimed to be more organised than her and to provide better than she did, but I also wanted to be like her in terms of her creativity and playfulness.

Amazong post

Achwheesht · 26/05/2023 20:55

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snowbellsxox · 26/05/2023 21:03

Not at all, I'm talking about the relationship between some foods and these sorts of behaviours associated with adhd.
I'm not saying in all cases I'm talking about those who have maybe been diagnosed with it but it's actually something else causing these issues.
Nobody can say there isn't a link with diet and behaviour and I was giving an example.

ReleasetheCrackHen · 26/05/2023 21:05

Somanycats · 26/05/2023 20:47

Children who have experienced poor parenting exhibit ADHD much more often than children who have experienced adequate parenting. I don't think anyone professionals dispute that. That's not to say ADHD can't arise even with excellent parenting, but it is very much more common in children who have been abused, neglected, in the care system etcetc

ND children are more likely to be the targets of parental and sibling childhood abuse and bullying. This is due to society being hostile towards ND children, not because abuse causes ADHD or ASD.

It’s like any disability. Disability discrimination or hate crimes do not create or cause the disability, they happen because the person has disabilities/a disability.

snowbellsxox · 26/05/2023 21:06

Have a look at the research on red dye 40.
Confused

Sianthomasisnothererightnow · 26/05/2023 21:09

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Except recent studies have proved that things like excess sugar doesn’t exacerbate behaviour.

Food chemicals doesn’t cause ADHD. I didn’t have sweets and food dyes as a kid. I don’t as an adult. I still have ADHD.

Blort · 26/05/2023 21:15

snowbellsxox · 26/05/2023 21:06

Have a look at the research on red dye 40.
Confused

Have a look at the placebo effect

Ohnookwhynow23 · 26/05/2023 21:16

Saschka · 26/05/2023 19:34

Interestingly, there's no evidence of ADHD existing, except for a list of behaviours that have been clustered together under the label ADHD

That is true for all psychiatric diagnoses. Do you think there is no evidence for schizophrenia either, because it’s just a collection of symptoms?

While that is true for current diagnosis under DSM 5 ADHD is the most studied neurodiversity and there are 1000s of brain neuroimaging studies proving differences in brain anatomy.

Sensibletrousers · 26/05/2023 21:19

Well my DS14 is Autistic and my DS10 has ADHD++

I’m a fucking fantastic parent, as is my DH.

Museya15 · 26/05/2023 21:19

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Imsorrysorry · 26/05/2023 21:20

The thing is the brain is a very complex thing and we have all these ‘experts’ wading in with their theories, these go in and out of fashion and opinions change. No one really knows all the complexities of the human brain, it’s capabilities and subtle differences. Theses conditions have been given a label but they are far more varied and misunderstood than we know at this stage.

It’s impossible to say for sure one way or the other and there will always be huge variables.
There is a lot of empathise on ACES, attachment and westernised parenting. You have to remember that these are popular right now but something else will come along and some ‘expert’ will claim this and that. Anyone with a basic level of critical thinking can work out that you will find arguments for and against for every single thing. Attachment is a very westernised problem. As is aces. Yet it’s trotted out and people shrug when presented with counter arguments or children who don’t quite fit that narrative.

Parenting, attachment, child development etc etc is my bag. It’s my day in day out. I have done this job for a long time. Anecdotal as it is what I have professionally observed in a vast range of people, backgrounds, cultures, economic conditions, is that children living in the most chaotic, abusive, neglectful households do not show more symptoms of adhd than children from nurturing, consistent, attentive and attuned households. I see a lot of trauma but this presents in many many different ways. Often children from above mentioned families are exceptionally well behaved and mature beyond their years. Despite trauma I see children thrive and often seemingly unaffected to the degree they would get a diagnosis. Of course there are situations I see with multi generational trauma but these again don’t produce children with adhd. Who decides what is ‘good enough’ parenting and who decides their way is better? ( obvious abuse/neglect not included)

All we do know is that we have children and adults who struggle with symptoms and we need to find the tools that help. It doesn’t matter what causes this, what matters is what we do to support those who need it. You will never completely get rid of poor parenting, trauma, abuse. You will never get rid of genetic neurological conditions. So why do we argue about this instead of plowing our energy into making life better for those who need it.

As it happens I’d consider myself to be a pretty decent parent given my career and associated knowledge. I have a child with asc and possible adhd. I have adhd myself. I have managed to do well in education, I have degrees, I’m married and live in an expensive home. I have friends and family and maintain them well. I suffered low level 80s neglect but my childhood on the whole was probably good enough.

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