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hursty900 · 2023-05-23T17:43:09+00:00

Had a call with a recruiter today- clearly female name, pic on linked in clearly female & then at start of call she announced 'my pronouns are she/her, may I ask what yours are?'... I mean she was polite, but it just seemed ridiculously performative (I too am clearly female) & has made me question if I want to work for this organisation. I have nothing against trans people etc I just really bristle with all the over the top performative stuff.. Am I just totally out of touch? My current company does not have any kind of stance in this area which I guess is terrible if you are one to name their pronouns..tbh I've got enough shit going on to have to explain my preferred pronouns to everyone I meet!

OMG12 · 25/05/2023 23:06

ArdeteiMasazxu · 25/05/2023 22:59

Unfortunately doing the research properly to get the fully quantified percentates isn't allowed under our newthink overlords, but if you talk to a wide range of ordinary people across every sector of society, rather than just TRAs the number of people who have a genuine "sense of gender" that is fundamentally a different phenomenon from (albeit sometimes in alignment with) "intellectual knowledge of what sex I am", and who firmly associate that sense of gender as solely masculine or feminine, is very much a minority. For a start, there's an immense amount of privilege required to even ponder the question, so a lot of normalising against other demographics would be needed to take into account those people for whom just surviving is a struggle without such existential angst.

It would be wrong to do the research though because these days science has to produce the results that are politically and socially acceptable.

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Do what you’re saying (I think) is that people do not abide by stereotypes linked to the male or female genders. As such, they are useless as labels for humans. Sex is the best distinguished as this is objectively observable- everything else is people just having individual personalities that are not shaped by stereotypes

literalviolence · 25/05/2023 23:15

OMG12 · 25/05/2023 22:28

What do you mean “most people are nonbinary” ? Where has this been scientifically proven?

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The idea that all, or even many, people have a gender identity has never been scientifically proven but that doesn't stop people stating it as a fact! What's sauce for the goose and all that. But there are very few people who really feel like old-fashioned stereotypes really describe themselves - they might feel like some but not all of it applies to them and that's non-binary.

ArdeteiMasazxu · 25/05/2023 23:47

@OMG12 sort of, but that formulation is giving rather too much emphasis to sex as a differentiator. For the vast majority of non-sexist people then most of the time it really doesn't matter much whether you're male or female. Most of the time people are just getting on with being people. The times where it matters are relatively limited and are where vulnerable people need protecting - eg in situations where people get undressed, and there's strong evidence that there are more attacks against women in mixed-sex changing facilities, in employment equal-opportunities monitoring where employers are going to discriminate against people with an obviously child-bearing-capacity body no matter what their pronouns are, and in sports where womens different physiology makes it obvious that if there's mixed-sex competition it will always be women who lose out. There are absolutely no such circumstances where there's a rational logic to separate people by gender.

OMG12 · 26/05/2023 07:12

ArdeteiMasazxu · 25/05/2023 23:47

@OMG12 sort of, but that formulation is giving rather too much emphasis to sex as a differentiator. For the vast majority of non-sexist people then most of the time it really doesn't matter much whether you're male or female. Most of the time people are just getting on with being people. The times where it matters are relatively limited and are where vulnerable people need protecting - eg in situations where people get undressed, and there's strong evidence that there are more attacks against women in mixed-sex changing facilities, in employment equal-opportunities monitoring where employers are going to discriminate against people with an obviously child-bearing-capacity body no matter what their pronouns are, and in sports where womens different physiology makes it obvious that if there's mixed-sex competition it will always be women who lose out. There are absolutely no such circumstances where there's a rational logic to separate people by gender.

Well I agree with you. I would argue therefore that gender is irrelevant and should stop being used to describe people.

chaosmaker · 29/05/2023 10:36

TeenDivided · 25/05/2023 06:31

See, I quite like titles. I don't like the informality of first names all the time, (Especially salespeople trying to fabricate a non existent relationship with me.)

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Yeah, that is 'the script' and the use of the first name intimating a familiarity they don't have. I tell them I don't need help or hang up depending on the situation :)