To tell pronoun announcing recruiter I don't want the job

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Had a call with a recruiter today- clearly female name, pic on linked in clearly female & then at start of call she announced 'my pronouns are she/her, may I ask what yours are?'... I mean she was polite, but it just seemed ridiculously performative (I too am clearly female) & has made me question if I want to work for this organisation. I have nothing against trans people etc I just really bristle with all the over the top performative stuff.. Am I just totally out of touch? My current company does not have any kind of stance in this area which I guess is terrible if you are one to name their pronouns..tbh I've got enough shit going on to have to explain my preferred pronouns to everyone I meet!

I didn't say it shouldn't be. It just is irrelevant to the question of whether people can change sex or whether men should be allowed in women's spaces. Did you mean something other than that?

Well said. Using the term 'exclude' in that regard has the feel of propaganda more than anything else.

But the point, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that for gender critical people 'he' should be used for all biological males because your biology is your biology and you can wear what you like, act how you like, like what you like, it does not matter. IF we were all gender critical we would be free to be who we wanted to be and not constrained by pink and blue and dresses and trousers etc etc.

I've just read the last couple of pages but omfg 'the most oppressed group' really have got themselves out there haven't they?

Fancy compelling speech by insisting on 'preferred pronouns'. I'm not sure any 'most oppressed' group has ever had so much sway.

I wonder why that might be?

Yep. Whereas gender ideology is the exact opposite of freeing.

What you mean is you can’t abide discrimination or exclusion for men who at they are women. Not that you are bothered about discrimination against or exclusion of women, clearly, because allowing men who say they are women into spaces or activities segregated on the basis of sex excludes some women from those

No group can be inclusive of everyone. The group “old age pensioners” doesn’t include people in their 30s. “Lesbians” doesn’t include straight women. “Women” don’t include any men, even those who say they are women.

Lucky them tbh!!!

This!

@TooOldForThisNonsense please don't put words in my mouth. Discussion is fine, but you're tine and wording seem accusatory and attacking.

If I was doing a recruitment drive and an applicant announced their preferred pronouns (I wouldn't ask) I'd be inclined to think - trouble.

The thing is, we started off using people's preferred pronouns to be polite. Because being trans must be really hard and it's such a small thing we can do to make people feel better.

And then we had the International Olympic Committee telling us how wonderful it was that Laurel Hubbard had stolen a young female athlete's Olympic dreams, because everyone agrees that trans women are women. And a poster on the FWR board here has got her employer telling her that they are committed to preserving single sex spaces including toilets onsite, and also that trans women can and should use women's spaces because they are women.

In short, our polite pretence has been used against us and taken for actual belief, even though the people pretending that we actually believe do not actually believe either, because no one does.

When someone asks you for your preferred pronouns, they are not asking, "How are you most comfortable being addressed?"

They are saying, "I participate in this pretence that humans can change sex because I agree that the wants of this small and self selecting minority are more important than women's rights. What about you?"

Whenever I'm hiring, I automatically discard CVs with pronouns. Not sorry!

This x 1000.

Really? So you have to reject every CV with the words I, it, we, or my on it?

Go back to primary school and learn some grammar.

Well you ought to be sorry. It’s blatant discrimination.

And also stupid.

You bin anything that says, ‘I did X’? I assume you therefore find it very difficult to hire anybody at all.

Nah, it’s a method of sorting out those who will undoubtedly be a pain in the arse and disrupt team dynamics with their politics

I repeat my case.

*OMG12 · Today 07:04
RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · Today 07:02

Well you ought to be sorry. It’s blatant discrimination.
PurpleChrayne · Today 06:36

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Nah, it’s a method of sorting out those who will undoubtedly be a pain in the arse and disrupt team dynamics with their politics*

no it’s blatant discrimination.
some really dodgy extreme views coming out on here. And, whilst holing the belief that pronouns are nonsense is fine (and protected), using the term ‘gender woo’ when there is a growing percentage of non-binary people in the workplace (and indeed misgendering someone purposefully and repeatedly when asked not to) will land you in trouble.

I why would you need gender specific pronouns in a 2 person telephone call anyway? You’re hardly going to be referring to each other in the third person!

But trans cannot exist without (harmful) stereotyping. What does it mean to be a woman? It’s either based in biology (which is what is should be) or based on some subjective and limiting notion (usually derogatory and damaging) notion of what it means to be a woman.

Any woman who colludes to use the second definition rather than first should hang their head in shame at undermining decades of women’s sacrifices and fights for rights.

Men can never be women and women can never be men. They can, however all be individuals

Oh well.
Luckily I work for a company that doesn't buy into gender woo bollocks so it's never become an issue.
As I said before. Use. Your. Eyes.
It's a pretty safe method.

its nothing to do with the pronouns it’s the political ideology it signals. What the recruiter is saying is I’m a rainbow carrying, knee taker who likes everyone to know I’m a social justice hashtag warrior (brain washed idiot who thinks social media memes change the world) - Do you agree with me or are you evil/sane? I believe men can be women/men’s whims override women’s needs at every turn. Invariably thinks they’re saving the planet by sticking their three children in the back of the SUV to drive a yoghurt pot to the recycling centre. Feels virtuous talking to people of colour and people who are disabled rather than just thinking of them as people.

You missed out the word ‘woke’

I don’t see any mention in the thread of how risky this could be from the recruiters point of view. If you’re asked at interview if you are disabled, pregnant, have any strong religious beliefs, or what sexuality you are, and then you don’t get the job, you’d have a pretty good case to start up a discrimination claim. Which is why those questions are never asked. If someone is asked their pronouns at interview and says something to suggest they are trans or non binary, and they dont get the job, the recruiter is at the same risk of a discrimination claim surely?
or as someone else did say, if they refuse to give pronouns, there is the risk of a discrim claim from the point of view of being gender critical.
just seems a daft thing to ask for these reasons in addition to the fact mentioned above, that pronouns aren’t needed when talking to someone face to face.
It’s also quite an intrusive question for someone who isn’t sure how they identify or want to be known and I imagine it could put a lot of people off their stride at the start of the interview