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To not understand what Philip Scofield did wrong?

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redroseq · 20/05/2023 20:20

I’m not a fan of Phil or Holly and have never watched This Morning. However, I’ve read about the issues the show has been facing in the news recently and am at a loss to understand why Phil had to step down. What did he actually do wrong?

I know his brother has been imprisoned for a heinous crime but obviously that’s nothing to do with Phil. So I don’t understand why he decided to resign.

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JacobsCrackersCheeseFogg · 21/05/2023 09:12

All the above. PS has behaved appallingly. How anyone can defend him is beyond my comprehension.

Garethkeenansstapler · 21/05/2023 09:17

FantasticMax · 20/05/2023 20:31

I don’t think Holly comes out of this very well either. Just someone who’ll cut ties if the person can no longer serve them well. Not defending Philip at all - but she seems ruthless and self serving and this has damaged her brand regardless.

I agree. She seems very cold and self interested, covered up with flowery dresses. She would’ve known all this for a long time and is now jumping ship so she can have plausible (ish) deniability

HRTQueen · 21/05/2023 09:17

I think it will now come out about the young runner and how long he knew him

Holly has known all this she knows why he came out when he did she will always now be remembered as his simpering sidekick the damage is done her pr team have acted to late

Harringtonperle · 21/05/2023 09:27

He has known the runner since said runner was 11 🤢

Harringtonperle · 21/05/2023 09:29

And Holly probably knew all this, which makes her a revolting individual

madeinmanc · 21/05/2023 09:30

The fall-out was because Holly's kids have spent time around Phil's brother and she's absolutely fuming that he knew about the abuse and didn't warn her.

Of course! This would explain everything. A mother protecting her children. Now it all makes sense. This being Mumsnet, someone probably should have figured this out sooner!

Willmafrockfit · 21/05/2023 09:33

i dont think so
i think HW was just protecting her reputation

Chickenballsandcheese · 21/05/2023 09:38

Aaaaandbreathe · 21/05/2023 00:53

I agree with you there. It is an individual choice, and his individual choice means a lot of people don't like him because we consider 16 to be barely the age of consent. I might be wrong, but I would hazard a guess the age of consent is so sexually active 16 years aren't charged with an offence for having sex with other teenagers when they have reached puberty. Doubt the reason was for middle aged men. This is a reason children are in care until 18, and can't (not sure if this has changed) get married without parents permission until 18, as they are vulnerable.

Focusing solely on legislation does not change the fact most people think it's abhorrent. It wasn't a 16 year old and a 22 year old (which a lot would still disagree with), it's a middle aged man taking advantage of a teenager. That goes for both of them. PS just won't get charged because, as you say, the legal age of consent is 16. Lucky him.

I agree, I also think it's the age to prevent teens getting in trouble but I'm also not naive enough to think all 16 year olds will just stick with other teens and not pursue older partners.
From what PS claims he told his brother to stop over sharing when he tried.
That to me suggests he wasn't comfortable with it either but he is being attacked for not speaking out or cutting his brother off at that point. We don't have to agree with our family actions and on the assumption he didn't agree but believed it was within the law, he shouldn't be getting so much blame.
I presume it's due to the claims he had a relationship with his runner. People claiming they are the same but it's unproven.

dayswithaY · 21/05/2023 09:41

Anyone unsure of Holly’s involvement, take a look at Twitter. Lots of people quite happy to share what they know. There’s also a lovely photo (which I dare not attach here) of Matthew the runner, sitting between Phil and Holly on the TM sofa, his arms round both of them.

AbreathofFrenchair · 21/05/2023 09:44

GrazingSheep · 20/05/2023 20:26

It started with Queuegate.

I'd say it started with Phil's grooming of young boys and runners on tv nd hiding his true sexuality from his wife but yeah, jumping a queue is the problem!

WimbyAce · 21/05/2023 10:01

I think there is more due to come out but waiting for an injunction to expire.

Harringtonperle · 21/05/2023 10:09

@Chickenballsandcheese but PS admitted he knew about it in court, if it had just been a seedy relationship that would be one thing, but the fact that he is now serving 12 years in prison surely suggests PS knew damn well what was going on

Willmafrockfit · 21/05/2023 10:10

did anyone notice their strained relationship?

ClareBlue · 21/05/2023 10:17

The latest viewing figures show a 140k drop off. That might be the most important consideration for the executives. I've seen analysis that says programmes like they host will tank if the trust is lost between presenter and audience. No idea what that means as I don't even think about if I trust presenters, but aparantly it's a known thing for this format. So the final push is probably about the money, as per always.

Willmafrockfit · 21/05/2023 10:24

wonder what Fern Britton thinks?

silverspoonsz · 21/05/2023 10:31

I don't think Holly will ever be seen in the same way again. Everyone now knows she was willing to stand by a nonce sympathiser, until it didn't suit her anymore.

The sweet, innocent, butter wouldn't melt persona she puts on is fake and everyone now knows it. She's always been ruthlessly ambitious from day one - marrying a TV producer to get in the industry.

She knew about Phil's "relationship" with that young boy but kept it quiet because Phil was useful to her career at the time.

Harringtonperle · 21/05/2023 10:36

Not even merely a nonce sympathiser but an actual nonce as well!

ReunitedThorns · 21/05/2023 10:41

It's amazing how there's so much bad stuff around this individual, and then people are going to get lengths to defend him, "well it's not that bad", "it was his brother".

No wonder people get away with so much when each one of these allegations is dismissed and when you look at the wider picture you've let him off the hook for a whole string of bad behaviours.

It reminds me of Barrymore and how general homophobia allowed him to get away with so much with a lot of people saying "it's just something those gays get up to". I see the same here, and if the sex of the other parties was female there would be a lot more outrage.

ReunitedThorns · 21/05/2023 10:43

AbreathofFrenchair · 21/05/2023 09:44

I'd say it started with Phil's grooming of young boys and runners on tv nd hiding his true sexuality from his wife but yeah, jumping a queue is the problem!

I would argue that Queuegate only became a big scandal because the media knew of the real scandals involving him, and hoping that it would lead to the real revelations.

It's the same today. It's not the falling out that is the issue it is the real scandal that is being covered up.

randomusername03 · 21/05/2023 10:56

everyone needs to wait another month for the injunction to end, and then we will all know the truth cough cough inappropriate relations cough cough

Willmafrockfit · 21/05/2023 11:04

was it Oliver Dowden's comments that did it? must have certainly helped

Ladybug14 · 21/05/2023 11:07

silverspoonsz · 21/05/2023 10:31

I don't think Holly will ever be seen in the same way again. Everyone now knows she was willing to stand by a nonce sympathiser, until it didn't suit her anymore.

The sweet, innocent, butter wouldn't melt persona she puts on is fake and everyone now knows it. She's always been ruthlessly ambitious from day one - marrying a TV producer to get in the industry.

She knew about Phil's "relationship" with that young boy but kept it quiet because Phil was useful to her career at the time.

This ^

And not only did she protect a paedophile protector but also alledgedly a paedophile as well

Shes a piece of work

CabbagePatchDole · 21/05/2023 11:09

Wouldlovetobeinthesun · 21/05/2023 08:02

Because I gather he admitted on the stand in Court that his brother had told him.

I thought his brother told him he had watched porn and been intimate with a very young (but not underage) teen? That's why he kept his job. If PS had said he knew it was with a child he would have definitely lost his job, wouldn't he? If not his bosses should also get the chop.

Willmafrockfit · 21/05/2023 11:10

it turned out the boy was underage

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