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AIBU?

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to ask who is in the wrong here?

179 replies

bringincrazyback · 19/05/2023 01:36

Perspectives on a row DH and I just had would be appreciated. I'm beyond frustrated at this point.

Context is housework that needs doing before a few days away. (Further context: DH's mother is a dyed-in-the-wool traditionalist who never taught any of her sons how to do housework, because their wives would do all that kind of thing.)

DH never takes the initiative with anything housework-wise, literally doesn't seem to know how to do certain things, and unless directly asked by me, does none apart from doing the bins, a bit of cooking and washing up. No actual cleaning unless asked a million times. Arguments over housework, and the need to do more of it, are frequent because he doesn't care what state the house is in and thinks I should stop being uptight and do next to no housework. Not happening. (For info, I have ME and various pain issues which mean I have to pace myself carefully where things like housework are concerned.)

Earlier this evening:
Me: Will you have time to give me a hand with the housework over the next couple of evenings?
DH: Yes, of course, just text me a list. (I always get this 'text me a list' business, even when I tell him verbally what needs doing. He seems incapable of seeing for himself what needs doing.)
Me: Well, W, X, Y and Z need doing. I don't like texting a list, it makes me feel like I'm issuing orders.
DH while I've been telling him what needs doing: several repetitions of 'yeah, yeah,' which usually means (and I think this time is no exception) that he isn't listening.

So I get cracking, do as much as I am able, but not the stuff I'd already asked him to do, stupidly thinking he'll come and do it as he appeared to have agrred to do.
DH spends the whole evening in his man cave.

Conversation at bedtime:
Me: You will be able to help with the housework tomorrow, right?
DH: You didn't text me a list.
Me: No, but I told you what needed doing.
DH: That's not my recollection. I said to text me a list.
Me: I didn't need to, I told you what needed doing.

A bit more verbal ping-pong and he's claiming he's 'always' cleaning the kitchen worktop and the area where the cats' bowls are. By 'cleaning' it transpires he means sweeping his hand over the surfaces, catching bits and binning them. Possibly passing a damp cloth over them at most.

Me: You need to use the anti-bacterial spray as well.
DH: (makes a contemptuous noise) No one needs to use anti-bacterial spray unless they're Michael Jackson.
(There's a whole list of things normal sensible people do, which he deems unnecessary and neurotic, apparently this is one of them... a few years back he sneered at me for saying toilets needed cleaning under the rim and said didn't I know how gravity works?)

A bit of further quarrelling and he huffs out of bed and stomps to the spare room with the words, 'I'm an adult, I make my own decisions.'

AIBU for expecting him (as an adult, as he's so at pains to tell me) to use a bit more initiative, to not just weasel out of keeping promises on a technicality, and... to actually listen to me?

OP posts:
bringincrazyback · 19/05/2023 01:38

BTW I meant to change the thread title to something like 'DH rant', as I'm not asking who's in the wrong, because I know he is. lol

OP posts:
poxxypox · 19/05/2023 01:39

Just text him. You're being deliberately difficult 🙄

Fraaahnces · 19/05/2023 01:41

Just put it in writing so you have something to refer to.

bringincrazyback · 19/05/2023 01:41

poxxypox · 19/05/2023 01:39

Just text him. You're being deliberately difficult 🙄

Why should he need texting, though, when I've told him what needs doing?

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Emmamoo89 · 19/05/2023 01:44

Nothing wrong with a list 🙄

HirplesWithHaggis · 19/05/2023 01:46

He said, "Text me". So just text him. It's no more issuing orders than talking to him. He's not interested enough to listen, but he's willing to look at (maybe even act upon!) a text list. Takes up less memory space all round - you've given him the list so can forget it, he has the list and will act upon it.

barmycatmum · 19/05/2023 01:47

Some people have absolutely no memory for verbal things. Do Text him a list, and see if it gets better

SargentSagittarius · 19/05/2023 01:49

bringincrazyback · 19/05/2023 01:41

Why should he need texting, though, when I've told him what needs doing?

Because then it might get done? And isn’t that the end game?

I mean, you’re right, he should just be able to get on with it. But isn’t the definition of ‘insanity’ doing the same thing over and over, but expecting a different result? And do you want to be ‘right’ or do you want to chores done?

Text him the list, and then you’ve got something to fall back on if/when he doesn’t do it. But maybe he will do it!

poetryandwine · 19/05/2023 01:51

I have a poor memory for verbal lists. I would need you to text me a list.

Some of the other examples you quote are comical at a distance, but surely infuriating to live with

PaperwhiteTheGhost · 19/05/2023 01:52

I (not a man) would need a list. I have trouble retaining verbal instructions, especially if they're not to be enacted immediately as these weren't. It would have taken you 30 seconds, maybe a minute, to text a list.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 19/05/2023 01:55

I love a list. DH gets lists texted to him all the time. He can't argue he wasn't told if he has a list 😂
Yours is actually ASKING for a list.
I should be so lucky.
Just text him the fecking list.

It does come across as you are being awkward for the sake of it. "You will take my instructions MY way or not at all."
If he gets the list and then ignores it, THEN he's the unreasonable one. Until then, sorry - it's you.

suburbophobe · 19/05/2023 01:55

Texting a list about what needs to be done in a home is what you do for an 8-year-old, not a grown man.

He thinks you are there for the domestic load OP.

thank fuck I live alone

HirplesWithHaggis · 19/05/2023 01:57

Or OP can carry on being a domestic martyr.

JustJoinedRightNow · 19/05/2023 02:00

Sorry but what am I reading? You all know this is an OP speaking about her fully grown husband and not a toddler right??

he lives there, why on earth should she be responsible for texting him a list of housework that needs doing??
oh my god some people have seriously low standards in a partner.
OP, he is being unreasonable, you are correct. If he wants it in list form he can bloody write it down when you’re verbally telling him what needs doing. Or, he could open his eyes and look around. Far out.

ClaraBourne · 19/05/2023 02:01

Why is the OP in charge of cleaning? Send a list of tasks? This is everyday stuff. He doesn't need a bloody list. Doesn't know how to clean?

Say he had a job and didn't know how to do stuff, he'd bloody well take the initiative and learn. But why bother, there's a woman in the house.

DeflatedAgain · 19/05/2023 02:01

My DH also was raised not doing much housework. However, He does do all gardening and cleaning the shed. He also takes care of the attic organisation, garden dog poo, bins, DIY odd jobs, dog walks and vet appointments, car maintenance and cleaning, making sure he researches cheaper deals for bills, holidays etc.

Granted, he isn't a natural home cleaner but he definitely does all the bits I personally hate doing (except dog walks - I love walking the dog).

Is there anything your DH does that you might not have remembered?

Like, I've never jetwashed the driveway because it's definitely not my thing, yet it's always done. Tidy kitchen, though? I personally love doing that, my way. 🤷🏻‍♀️

SusannaQ · 19/05/2023 02:03

Text me a list is one of my most used phrases and I'm not male. I've got a head like a sieve and often doubt what I've heard. Text me, write it on the blackboard or pin it to the fridge and I'll get it done.

bringincrazyback · 19/05/2023 02:05

ClaraBourne · 19/05/2023 02:01

Why is the OP in charge of cleaning? Send a list of tasks? This is everyday stuff. He doesn't need a bloody list. Doesn't know how to clean?

Say he had a job and didn't know how to do stuff, he'd bloody well take the initiative and learn. But why bother, there's a woman in the house.

Indeed, this is pretty much what's sticking in my throat about it tbh, and why I stood on principle somewhat over the list issue.

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SargentSagittarius · 19/05/2023 02:05

This is why you should never tether yourself to someone who’s never lived self-sufficiently - alone or in a flat share.

Never take on a man who’s moved straight from the family home to the marital home.

ClaraBourne · 19/05/2023 02:06

@DeflatedAgain Does your DP loads need doing every day? The attic? A natural cleaner?!? Who is? You just get on with it.

Domestic shit needs doing every day which is why it's boring and grinding and thankless and never bloody ending.

VonThorn · 19/05/2023 02:09

JustJoinedRightNow · 19/05/2023 02:00

Sorry but what am I reading? You all know this is an OP speaking about her fully grown husband and not a toddler right??

he lives there, why on earth should she be responsible for texting him a list of housework that needs doing??
oh my god some people have seriously low standards in a partner.
OP, he is being unreasonable, you are correct. If he wants it in list form he can bloody write it down when you’re verbally telling him what needs doing. Or, he could open his eyes and look around. Far out.

Thank goodness you said it. I thought I was going mad.

DeflatedAgain · 19/05/2023 02:14

ClaraBourne · 19/05/2023 02:06

@DeflatedAgain Does your DP loads need doing every day? The attic? A natural cleaner?!? Who is? You just get on with it.

Domestic shit needs doing every day which is why it's boring and grinding and thankless and never bloody ending.

Don't get me wrong, he does lots other mundane stuff as well. But I do have to constantly remind him 🤣

I'm just saying that some people remember to do things others don't.

Like I don't even think of half the things he keeps organised. He doesn't bug me to do it but I'm glad he's on top of it.

I definitely don't think OP is in the wrong for clarification!

bringincrazyback · 19/05/2023 02:15

SargentSagittarius · 19/05/2023 02:05

This is why you should never tether yourself to someone who’s never lived self-sufficiently - alone or in a flat share.

Never take on a man who’s moved straight from the family home to the marital home.

The funny thing is, he'd lived on his own for years, and just hadn't done more than the absolute bare minimum (which pretty much only extends as far as doing the washing up and 'cleaning' the toilet). I had to put off moving in with him initially until he sorted out his house, because it was so dirty and untidy I wasn't prepared to live in it. He just doesn't care about his surroundings. I'm convinced on some level it's a reaction to how his mum does things as she's more or less OCD about cleanliness and housework.

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QueenoftheNimbleFlyingCat · 19/05/2023 02:16

I mean you are clearly not unreasonable in the slightest and you aren't in charge of cleaning so your husband should just do it. However, for the sake of it getting done I would text a list but put everything on there the cheeky little fucker.

HirplesWithHaggis · 19/05/2023 02:18

You wouldn't expect a toddler to be doing much unsupervised housework. And they probably couldn't read a list anyway.

He's asked for a list. It wouldn't take long to write a list, or to sit down with him and agree a written list of daily/weekly/monthly tasks, so no "orders" involved.

Or OP can carry on not agreeing a list, and feeling aggrieved that shit isn't done to her specifications.

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