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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to ask who is in the wrong here?

179 replies

bringincrazyback · 19/05/2023 01:36

Perspectives on a row DH and I just had would be appreciated. I'm beyond frustrated at this point.

Context is housework that needs doing before a few days away. (Further context: DH's mother is a dyed-in-the-wool traditionalist who never taught any of her sons how to do housework, because their wives would do all that kind of thing.)

DH never takes the initiative with anything housework-wise, literally doesn't seem to know how to do certain things, and unless directly asked by me, does none apart from doing the bins, a bit of cooking and washing up. No actual cleaning unless asked a million times. Arguments over housework, and the need to do more of it, are frequent because he doesn't care what state the house is in and thinks I should stop being uptight and do next to no housework. Not happening. (For info, I have ME and various pain issues which mean I have to pace myself carefully where things like housework are concerned.)

Earlier this evening:
Me: Will you have time to give me a hand with the housework over the next couple of evenings?
DH: Yes, of course, just text me a list. (I always get this 'text me a list' business, even when I tell him verbally what needs doing. He seems incapable of seeing for himself what needs doing.)
Me: Well, W, X, Y and Z need doing. I don't like texting a list, it makes me feel like I'm issuing orders.
DH while I've been telling him what needs doing: several repetitions of 'yeah, yeah,' which usually means (and I think this time is no exception) that he isn't listening.

So I get cracking, do as much as I am able, but not the stuff I'd already asked him to do, stupidly thinking he'll come and do it as he appeared to have agrred to do.
DH spends the whole evening in his man cave.

Conversation at bedtime:
Me: You will be able to help with the housework tomorrow, right?
DH: You didn't text me a list.
Me: No, but I told you what needed doing.
DH: That's not my recollection. I said to text me a list.
Me: I didn't need to, I told you what needed doing.

A bit more verbal ping-pong and he's claiming he's 'always' cleaning the kitchen worktop and the area where the cats' bowls are. By 'cleaning' it transpires he means sweeping his hand over the surfaces, catching bits and binning them. Possibly passing a damp cloth over them at most.

Me: You need to use the anti-bacterial spray as well.
DH: (makes a contemptuous noise) No one needs to use anti-bacterial spray unless they're Michael Jackson.
(There's a whole list of things normal sensible people do, which he deems unnecessary and neurotic, apparently this is one of them... a few years back he sneered at me for saying toilets needed cleaning under the rim and said didn't I know how gravity works?)

A bit of further quarrelling and he huffs out of bed and stomps to the spare room with the words, 'I'm an adult, I make my own decisions.'

AIBU for expecting him (as an adult, as he's so at pains to tell me) to use a bit more initiative, to not just weasel out of keeping promises on a technicality, and... to actually listen to me?

OP posts:
SarahSmith2023 · 19/05/2023 05:25

PaperwhiteTheGhost · 19/05/2023 01:52

I (not a man) would need a list. I have trouble retaining verbal instructions, especially if they're not to be enacted immediately as these weren't. It would have taken you 30 seconds, maybe a minute, to text a list.

@PaperwhiteTheGhost
& all others saying 'just text a list'.

if he needs a list why couldn't he make one himself.

@bringincrazyback stop asking him to help. Tell him he needs to do his share! Divide the jobs up & own them! Yes, he should be able to see what needs doing & just do it, but he doesn't, but if he knows he needs to clean the bathroom, dust & hoover the whole house properly every week (or whatever) then it's his responsibility. I expect he needs to be told/shown what properly means.

tell him either he steps up or you're going to find someone who acts like an actual adult because it's deeply disturbing being with a truculent teenager.

Strictly1 · 19/05/2023 05:44

I think you have different expectations of cleaning. You give an example of how he cleans but it is not to your standard as he didn’t use antibacterial spray. We don’t have that in our house so you’d not be happy with me either!
If you want it done your way - text him a list. If not, accept he will do it his way.

poetryandwine · 19/05/2023 05:45

OP, I have much more sympathy for your post of 2.05, but you moved the goalposts.
It seems your biggest and very understandable complaint is about carrying the mental load of managing the house. I wish I had something to offer.

Men frequently get better with age but that is scant consolation now

HungryandIknowit · 19/05/2023 05:45

SheSaidHummingbird · 19/05/2023 02:23

Text him to let him know that he's a dickhead.

😂 Definitely do this!

  1. Stop being a dickhead.
  2. See point 1.
  3. See points 1 and 2.
WilkinsonM · 19/05/2023 05:49

bringincrazyback · 19/05/2023 01:41

Why should he need texting, though, when I've told him what needs doing?

You married him. You know what he's like. Just text him, or divorce the useless man child. What you shouldn't do is maintain this pointless moral high ground and moan about it.

PinkRobotDuck · 19/05/2023 05:56

Get a couple of lists on your Notes on your phone.
Politely tell him what you want with extra comments such as please use anti bac stuff.
Twice a week send a list.

He is not going to take on the mental load.
He needs to be instructed. So send txts.

Also get a cleaner.

Hesma · 19/05/2023 05:59

His request for a list was reasonable, that’s what works for him. You are being deliberately difficult

WandaWonder · 19/05/2023 06:01

Dh and I do lists for each other or remind each other of things

Simonjt · 19/05/2023 06:04

He has eyes surely, it which case he can see what needs doing in his own home, how does he think you know what needs doing if you aren’t presented with a list?

OneForTheRoadThen · 19/05/2023 06:13

PaperwhiteTheGhost · 19/05/2023 01:52

I (not a man) would need a list. I have trouble retaining verbal instructions, especially if they're not to be enacted immediately as these weren't. It would have taken you 30 seconds, maybe a minute, to text a list.

Then surely you could make your own list from a conversation then if you need a written prompt? Or is it always someone else's responsibility?

WordtoYoMumma · 19/05/2023 06:13

FFS if OPs DH needs a list in order to be able to do housework HE SHOULD WRITE HIS OWN

Baffled by the number of people who think OP should just write the list for him. It's his house! It isn't OPs job to do the housework, it's a shared responsibility. Why should OP have to make the list? Why should she have to figure out everything that needs doing, make a list and send it to him??

I'm actually gobsmacked that people think OP is unreasonable here.

DH NEEDS TO DO THE FUCKING HOUSEWORK IN HIS OWN HOUSE.

OP - just text him "help with the housework" as his list. He needs to figure out what needs doing!

MiddleAgedAndExhausted · 19/05/2023 06:14

For those who is saying OP should just text him a list - the whole point of this is that he is a grown man who should be able to see when things need done. If the OP is having to send him a list then she is the one 'in charge' and the cleaning is still ultimately her responsibility.

WordtoYoMumma · 19/05/2023 06:16

PaperwhiteTheGhost · 19/05/2023 01:52

I (not a man) would need a list. I have trouble retaining verbal instructions, especially if they're not to be enacted immediately as these weren't. It would have taken you 30 seconds, maybe a minute, to text a list.

You can't figure out what needs doing in your own house? So does your DH have to text you a list of housekeeping chores??

StormInaDcup99 · 19/05/2023 06:16

OP, you are biting off your nose to spite your face and shooting yourself in the foot all at the same time lol.

In our neck of the woods (northern ireland) you'd be described as a bit "thran" lol

If you send him a list you're robbing him of an excuse not to do it

PS he would also drive me insane lol

SisterWivesrus · 19/05/2023 06:24

So you knew when you married him that he doesn't 'see what needs doing'. Now you expect him to have magically changed and now be able to. You won't make it clear by giving him a list as he asked you to, then you inevitably fails and you get in a piss and complain.

jay55 · 19/05/2023 06:24

All the people saying they need a list and a list is reasonable.
Do you think people who live alone just sit in filth until someone texts them a list?

TravelDazzle · 19/05/2023 06:27

jay55 · 19/05/2023 06:24

All the people saying they need a list and a list is reasonable.
Do you think people who live alone just sit in filth until someone texts them a list?

Well, that's apparently what OP's husband did live in before they lived together 🤢

Maebh9 · 19/05/2023 06:28

You're the one who wants it done so do it yourself, text him or leave it. Tidying is for your benefit, not his. (Tidy women don't understand that untidy people just absolutely don't care if thing are untidy and you annoy us with your narking as much as we annoy you with our mess).

GoodChat · 19/05/2023 06:29

backinthebox · 19/05/2023 03:32

My husband once said he was happy to help with the housework if I wrote him a list. So I did (because every good little woman should write to do lists for their husband so that he does not have to worry his busy head about mundane stuff like housework!)

Here is what my list had on it.

”To do list for Mr BITB.

  1. think of all the things that need doing.
  2. write them on a list.
  3. do them.”

He got rather cross, and when we had our subsequent debate he admitted he was cross because it is hard trying to think about all the things that need doing in order for the household to run properly. Having got this admission out of him I pointed out that basically he still wanted me to do the hardest task - the Mental Load - before he would even lift a finger, and he realised how unreasonable he was being.

Seriously, men should not need a list written for them by women in order to function on a daily basis. Either there is something wrong with him that means he needs a list like ‘get up, go to toilet, wipe arse, get dressed, etc’ or he can think for himself. Waiting for his wife to tell him how to keep his home clean or just not bothering is fucking lazy and disrespectful.

OP, use this list!

Maebh9 · 19/05/2023 06:29

"oh no sitting in your own filth!"

Yeah it's so terrible spending all my spare time on fun.

Aposterhasnoname · 19/05/2023 06:30

Thing is, this is the way OPs DH is. It might be annoying, he may be a man child, but that’s what he is like, and OP clearly knew this before they married as she says MIL taught him it was womens work. He’s what, in his thirties? He’s not going to suddenly change overnight. So OP, you have two choices, LTB, or text him the damn list.

coffy11 · 19/05/2023 06:30

Ivyiris · 19/05/2023 04:43

My dh likes a written list. I think you are being unreasonable

Really? Somehow my husband just seems to know what needs to be done, strange I know.

SeasonFinale · 19/05/2023 06:31

Don't bother cleaning just because his Mum is coming. If she comments tell her he didn't want to clean the house just for her.

pilates · 19/05/2023 06:34

Would he pay for a cleaner?

GracePalmer33 · 19/05/2023 06:35

My mind is blown at the posters who think you're difficult for not texting a list. You issuing a list means that you're doing all of the thinking of what actually needs doing and puts the onus on you to continue doing this if you ever want anything doing. It also makes the chores "yours" that you're giving to him to "help you out" which isn't the case- they're his too.

He is a grown man who needs to learn how to look around a sodding house and notice what needs doing, OR use his brain and work out what he hasn't cleaned in a while that would therefore need cleaning (ie. Everything). I would start by having a conversation with him about it - set a time to have a proper sit down discussion.

I did this with my husband and we sat down together and wrote a list of all of the household cleaning jobs that a "normal household" would need doing on a regular basis" It wasn't me just writing a list, it was a "joint effort" (lol) to come up with the list. Then he must agree that on a regular basis (every day!!!!) he makes a conscious effort to tackle some of them, or keep his sodding eyes open to notice when one of them needs doing and then do it. Or between you agree on which ones could be both of your sole responsibility. Or when the house seems dirty you can say, you start from the bottom of the list I'll start from the top (you shouldn't HAVE to say this or do any of this really, but it's the lesser of two evils right?)