Dog walker killed by her own XL Bully Breed dog.

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NOT a pack of 8 dogs as was reported repeatedly with concurrent complete slating of all professional dog walkers.

Absolutely awful. So many of us who have worked with dogs knew this would be the outcome and that packs of 8 dogs do not behave in this way.

After investigations are complete we are now told that the only dog destroyed was the walkers own XL Bully Breed dog. Over and over again it is these dogs and still today I see a man strutting around my locale with two of these type dogs, both unneutered and off lead 🤷🏼‍♀️

Really abhor this breed and think they should be banned.

My dog was viscously attack by a American bull XL / Cane Corso young bitch recently. It had escaped from a house. Next day when I went to confront the owner he had a male American bully Xl confined to a yard with a female cane corso (both unneutered) and various other attack style dogs. He was genuinely “surprised” these two had an accidental litter of 13 … oh and the other 12 all out there. In family homes some of them.
All dogs unexercised, unsocialised, untrained but actually otherwise in clean conditions. And effing lethal if they escape which this one did. People like him shouldn’t be allowed mobile phones let alone dogs.
I kicked the shit out of that creature to try and get her to stop. She was only stopped from killing my 18kg lab X by some amazing guys who beat her with a baseball bat.

So horrifying to think of what that poor woman went through. Not victim blaming at all but you must think of the stupidity of walking an attack dog (even if it’s yours and a big softy and wouldn’t hurt a fly and only over eager and only play fighting blah blah) and 7 other dogs. It’s nuts.

I looked up the stats on fatal dogs attacks in the uk over last few years. It’s ALL bloody American Bully XLs and Cane Corsos.

At least an innocent child wasn't the victim this time.

They’ll have known which dog inflicted which injury by DNA matches and bite patterns. It isn’t in any way surprising that the dog that inflicted the injury was and XL bully, the only surprising thing is that it her her own dog!

You’d have to be an absolute imbecile to have one of these monstrous creatures and I say that as a committed dog lover! They should be banned and as awful as it is to consider any existing dogs should be humanely destroyed. They can not be trusted, even when they’re owned by responsible people who understand dogs.

No. Even if they do have perfect control of the dogs in their care (which is so unlikely as to be virtually impossible in circumstances like this, with dogs from multiple homes), they can’t control what goes on around them and the actions of other dogs. If something does go wrong, there is no way they will be able to keep all the dogs safe.

It’s beyond me why anyone entrusts their dogs to group walkers.

The statistics say that XL Bullies and bull breeds are those involved in serious and fatal dog attacks. So "NAXLBALT" but it's mainly those breeds that make the statistics. There is a mixture of power and propensity towards aggression that is not there in other breeds.

I'm a dog lover, and I would 100% steer clear of XL bullies. There is no good justification for breeding them.

I read somewhere that a dog feels more powerful if it has others with it (back up)? So the fact there were other dogs could have contributed to the bull dogs behaviour?

Such a sad story. XL Bully’s and pocket bully’s have become a status dog, there seems to be a lot of people breeding them, when I look online for ‘puppies for sale’ there are many litters. They are powerful dogs and no one should own a dog that they are not physically able to control. I am a big fan of bull breeds, they can be very loyal and full of character but a XL Bully is as powerful as a pit ball which are on the band breed list.

I think everyone needs to stop believing a single word that the daily Mail publish!! Why anyone on this thread is referring to anything they say is beyond me. Bullshit merchants!

There is at least one video available of that incident, it is pretty distressing and it’s not entirely clear why the police shot the dogs.

Well exactly..

Yes, stop breeding them. I have a bull breed but there is something not right in the XL. They're disproportionately attacking for what is a relatively 'new' breed that seem to have become popular in very recent years.

Most dogs give warnings that they're not happy. I'm seeing a lot of 'attacked without warning' being written. Yes, a lot of people say that who don't actually recognise the signs but I'm seeing it too often by people who do understand dog behaviour.

A lot of the XLs have docked ears and tails, which are essential for other dogs to be able to read each other from. These idiots forget by removing essential communication devices they are really harming their dogs.

No one should own an X Bully.

OP you seem to have come to a different conclusion to the article. It says 2 small dogs have been returned. 5 are being held and there will be talks with the owners about next steps. There are also witness statements saying it was a pack attack.

I think the logical conclusion here is that forensics cleared the 2 from attacking. 5 others were involved in the attack and the bully was the most aggressive that actually killed her.

Not sure this is helping your cause

XL Bullies do not fit the measurements DEFRA use to determine what is or is not a 'pitbull or pitbull type'.

That is why there are so many and they are not illegal - only the dogs that fit the measurement criteria for the pitbull, are considered to be a pitbull. Genetics and DNA be damned.

(Discounting the other three illegal breeds as they are not found here, nor were they at the time of the ban, but banning 4 breeds looked so much better than just 1).

We will never eradicate large or bully type breeds, whilst we ban based on appearance/measurement - people will just breed something that doesn't fit those measurements.

Breed Specific Legislation such as ours does not work, and has demonstrably been proven not to work over and over again for the last 30 years, here and in other countries.

To do a ban that actually worked you'd need to ban every dog over around 12 inches, every dog with a head/jaw measurement over whatever, every dog over xxkg in weight...

The two dogs, Marshall and Millions, shot in the street last week, neither was significantly bigger than a labrador. They were just average large staffy x mutts.

As for the dog walker killed by some of the dogs in her care - the full investigation is not complete, it is almost certain that her XL bully was PTS first because he has no owner to go home to, as well as any involvement he has in her death. This does not mean he was the ONLY dog who bit/attacked/redirected onto her though, by any means.

The docking is really just an indicator of the idiots who want a status dog. That won't be helping the stats on XL attacks.

I just feel they are inherently dangerous, regardless of the owner's dog experience.

It is crystal clear why they were shot, you might not agree with it, but it is disingenuous to say it is not clear.

This is just so sad all round 😔 8 is an awful lot of dogs to be walking at once, I thought 4 was the most you were technically allowed to be in control of at one time. The problem is some of the dogs may have been frantically pulling at her trying to stop the dog from mauling her. One of my dogs is very protective and if another dog attacked me he would jump in and try to attack it to get it off. I think most dogs would take this as an approach rather than trying to further attack the poor lady. It could also have easily been a dog fight to begin with that she has tried to split up and that’s why so many dogs were involved. I just know how sick you’d feel if your dog had been one of them as you’d never really know the full truth of what you dog was doing, it may have been completely innocent in the whole thing and doing it’s best to stop the dog. Just so tragic

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11941175/amp/Mother-baby-girl-mauled-death-American-Bully-vows-help-families-child-loss.html

Sorry another DM link. But shows sadly the fact that these status dogs are so valuable to breed from mean that idiots like this are bringing huge potentially lethal dogs into homes with infants and children.

People go on about the ridiculous cost of all the “poo” designer dogs etc. But I’ve yet to hear of child mauled to death by a cavapoo 😡

Descendants of pitbulls, so easily triggered and if so with potentially devastating consequences. I do not understand why this breed is being brought into communities and spread.

Don’t be stupid. It’s referring to a dog breed that has killed this poor woman. No need for NADALT (not all dogs are like that), we all know what it’s about.

No one is denying she was attacked by a pack of dogs. But one inflicted the fatal bite and of course that was as everyone expected. The dachshund was hardly likely to have pinned her to the floor.

No it wasn’t reported there was a bully breed in there but you hear “person mauled to death” and you instantly think xl bully. Because it’s about capacity for harm, not just temperament.

It’s like walking around with a loaded gun and being surprised when you accidentally shoot yourself. They are not fit for homes in the same way that bears aren’t.

YABU
It says she was mauled by ALL of the dogs.

1 has been destroyed, 2 have been returned and the other 5 are in kennels awaiting their fate.

This has absolutely nothing to do with breed in this situation and it’s a case of not being in control because she had too many dogs with her.

There have been multiple cases of people (usually dog walkers) being attacked by packs of dogs and it’s never because of the breed.

If you want to push the ‘certain breeds are bad’ narrative then this isn’t the story to do it.

Some councils are sensibly limiting the number if dogs one person can walk
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2022-11-30/dog-walkers-banned-from-walking-more-than-four-animals-at-once#
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/15146294.hampshire-council-puts-limit-on-number-of-dogs-allowed-per-walker/
I know Teignmouth also limit one person to 4 dogs.

Why we don’t follow the French laws I don’t know. Dogs are categorised, there are rules about dog being muzzled in public, which must be sterilised and have third party insurance.https://www.frenchpropertylinks.com/essential/pets-in-france.html Local police and gendarmes will check on dogs in public and respond to complaints. Any dog more than 100m from owners property is deemed a stray.

Can a single person really safely walk 8 dogs?

can a single person really safely walk an xl bully if they weigh 2/3’s of its weight and would be dragged along the floor it merely started walking at a faster pace?

It says she was mauled by ALL of the dogs.

mauled by 8. Killed by one. The one bred to have a killer bite. See the problem?