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Dog walker killed by her own XL Bully Breed dog.

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BethDuttonsTwin · 17/05/2023 18:30

NOT a pack of 8 dogs as was reported repeatedly with concurrent complete slating of all professional dog walkers.

Absolutely awful. So many of us who have worked with dogs knew this would be the outcome and that packs of 8 dogs do not behave in this way.

After investigations are complete we are now told that the only dog destroyed was the walkers own XL Bully Breed dog. Over and over again it is these dogs and still today I see a man strutting around my locale with two of these type dogs, both unneutered and off lead 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Emotionalsupportviper · 17/05/2023 20:47

BethDuttonsTwin · 17/05/2023 18:41

I used to be a dog walker - for a decade. I adore dogs. These breeds are problematic and I knew right from the start of the reporting this incident unfolding that there would be one involved. I don’t think they’re monsters. I don’t dislike them. But they are lethal when owned by people who are using them as status symbols, weapons, or simply don’t know how to handle them. This cannot be denied.

I don’t think they’re monsters. I don’t dislike them. But they are lethal when owned by people who are using them as status symbols, weapons, or simply don’t know how to handle them.

Exactly this.

As you say - people get these dogs for the wrong reasons (not just these dogs - many breeds are chosen for their striking appearance (eg akitas, samoyeds, dalmatian's),supposed trainability (eg border collies), "hypoallergenic" qualities (eg cockerpoos) and don't look into what the dogs themselves need to be happy, contented and above all safe pets.

I truly believe that some breeds should not be kept in the average pet home because they are challenging in one way or another - and XL bullies fall into this category. They are incredibly powerful, reactive, intelligent and independent. They are not the dog for a pet home, or for novice owners.

Lack of training, boredom, lack of exercise and mental stimulation, allowing children to pull them around so they get over-excited - it's just asking for trouble.

EstherMumsnet · 17/05/2023 20:47

Thanks for all the reports about this thread. We are looking at them now. In the meantime can we remind everyone that the person who died may have friends and family reading this thread and to bear this in mind when commenting on the situation.

DarkDarkNight · 17/05/2023 20:48

Someone let this dog walker take out their two daschunds with an XL bully and another 11 stone dog. What possessed them and what possessed the dog walker to think this was in any way a good idea?

Or maybe they didn’t know? Either way it’s not good, they obviously didn’t pick a registered dog walker for one.They may have been told their dogs would be walked as a pair, or in a small group of well trained dogs.

ILikePizzas · 17/05/2023 20:48

"Joint enterprise" rules. Doesn't matter who delivered the fatal bite, they were all in on it.

Blimey. Here people are debating which one delivered the fatal bite as though it matters. Just put the lot down and have done with it.,

Beargrumps22 · 17/05/2023 20:49

As a professional dog walker i would never take on a breed like this would not walk that many dogs at once and would never mix dogs that did not live together 1 household 1 walk plus would never walk my own dog with clients dogs

ShowUs · 17/05/2023 20:49

Windbeneathmybingowings · 17/05/2023 20:30

It says she was mauled by ALL of the dogs.

mauled by 8. Killed by one. The one bred to have a killer bite. See the problem?

It does not say which one she was killed by and it’s still being investigated so you cannot spread false information.

One of the dog seized was 11 stone and a powerful breed but it’s just not a bully breed. I can imagine that doing a lot of damage if it attacked.

If all of the other 6 are strong breeds too (even if not bully breeds) then they could all be responsible for her death because they all attacked her.

The fact that her pet was bully breed is irrelevant in this situation as they all attacked her and if 8 dogs attack you then you are going to be seriously injured or killed.

There needs to be a limit of how many dogs can be walked at one time.

BridgetRandomfuck · 17/05/2023 20:49

I definitely think there should be a limit on the number of dogs being walked at one time. Especially if there are larger dogs in the mix.

I was at the local rec ground a couple of weeks ago with my dog and a walker came in with a large number of dogs. Half of them were not on the lead and haring around. One of them was on a long lead, it looked an American bull dog/bully type and I could see it eyeing my dog with an aggressive stance (dogs owners will know it). I gave them a wide berth and it watched us towards the exit. The dogwalker was on her phone. As I left I heard a commotion and I turned round and it was attacking one of the other dogs with her, she was rushing to separate them. She had not been paying attention to it as on her phone. I can easily see how a pack of dogs could turn, especially with an inexperienced walker.

I’d happily see bully types banned, I feel sorry for the poor things as they’re usually bought by completely the wrong type of owner and don’t have much of a life.

HaggisBurger · 17/05/2023 20:50

Babyroobs · 17/05/2023 20:44

I can't understand how other dog owners would have been happy for their dogs to be walked by someone owning one of these dogs ? I certainly wouldn't. Or maybe they didn't know she had one or that their dogs would be walked with it.

She probably told them “oh he’s a complete softy”. People with these types of dogs always do.

AnyaMarx · 17/05/2023 20:50

The breed definitely needs assessment- I've got quite cross with people bashing the police after the recent horrible incident in tower hamlets last week . A friend started a bloody stupid petition which came up in my social media - can you spare a minute to help xxxx- well I'm afraid I answered.

The male owner in that scenario was entirely responsible for his two XL bullies being shot , and he tazerd.

The dogs had attacked a dog Walker he i(the owner) was Of no fixed abode and banned from keeping or owning a dog .

But hey - it's all the police's fault . Let's get a petition going- those nasty police .

Sick to bloody death of dog attacks lately . And I'm a dog lover - 2 of my own . But this has to stop.

Butchyrestingface · 17/05/2023 20:51

Porkandbeans1 · 17/05/2023 20:46

How awful. I do wonder why only 2 of the dogs are back home with their owners.

Because it's hard to envisage a dachshund inflicting serious damage on anyone. The other five are probably larger breeds (well, we know at least one of them is a leonberger).

Windbeneathmybingowings · 17/05/2023 20:54

ShowUs · 17/05/2023 20:49

It does not say which one she was killed by and it’s still being investigated so you cannot spread false information.

One of the dog seized was 11 stone and a powerful breed but it’s just not a bully breed. I can imagine that doing a lot of damage if it attacked.

If all of the other 6 are strong breeds too (even if not bully breeds) then they could all be responsible for her death because they all attacked her.

The fact that her pet was bully breed is irrelevant in this situation as they all attacked her and if 8 dogs attack you then you are going to be seriously injured or killed.

There needs to be a limit of how many dogs can be walked at one time.

And if those breeds are found to be capable of killing a human being then that breed should also be banned. There is a reason we have exotic pet licenses. No one with any sense would keep a tiger and insist that a cat is just as harmful.

stayathomer · 17/05/2023 20:55

well, we know at least one of them is a leonberger
I know any dog is capable of anything but this breed is known for being so lovely

Pandaparty · 17/05/2023 20:56

Butchyrestingface · 17/05/2023 20:45

Someone let this dog walker take out their two daschunds with an XL bully and another 11 stone dog. What possessed them and what possessed the dog walker to think this was in any way a good idea?

I'm thinking they couldn't have known she was walking eight dogs on her lonesome including at least the bully and the leonberger - maybe they were in a van and couldn't be seen?

My overwhelming feeling about this incident is relief that the victim's total disregard for public safety and overconfidence in her ability to handle eight dogs (including two very powerful ones) didn't result in tragedy for someone else.

Same. I feel for her and her family - what an awful price to pay for foolishness - but so often people's foolishness ends the life of someone who had no choice over the matter, whether that be a boy racer killing another driver or a toddler being killed by the xl bully that the father brought into the home.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 17/05/2023 20:57

BethDuttonsTwin · 17/05/2023 18:49

Can you quote where it says specifically that it has been confirmed she was attacked by the whole pack? Two of whom have been allowed to go home. It doesn’t say that. It says:-

“Witnesses to the horrific attack said the dogs turned into a pack of 'wolves' when they attacked Natasha Johnston, 28, at the Gravelly Hill beauty spot in Caterham on January 12.”

That is how it was reported at the time, without any investigations at all. After investigations. One dog has been destroyed, two have gone home, five more remain in kennels being investigated. There were two witnesses, who saw her from a distance, both of whom were on horses and who retreated immediately to keep their horses safe. They saw her go down under a pack of dogs but cannot possibly know which we were biting and which were not. There will be an inquest in June.

She was swamped by at least four medium-sized dogs, maybe more, attacking her, pulling her at arms and sides and she was screaming and shouting.' But perhaps surprisingly, there was no barking, a chilling detail that adds another layer to the horror.

4 medium sized dog

That admittedly doesn't constitute the whole pack. But she was clearly mauled (according to the link you chose to post) by more than just one dog / the Bully XL!

Saschka · 17/05/2023 21:01

PinkRobotDuck · 17/05/2023 19:26

Imagine it could have mauled a child/children or a n innocent passerby

It did…. It had bitten another woman and her dog just beforehand.

bluewanda · 17/05/2023 21:02

Absolutely awful. Why the hell aren't these horrible Bully dogs banned?!

slamfightbrightlight · 17/05/2023 21:03

NoTouch · 17/05/2023 20:19

It is crystal clear why they were shot, you might not agree with it, but it is disingenuous to say it is not clear.

I missed something then as I could only watch it once. From what I saw the police had control of the one living dog, it ran towards its owner away from the armed police and was shot. Two witnesses have complained and IOPC is investigating so perhaps there’s more to come out.

SadOrWickedFairy · 17/05/2023 21:04

AgrathaChristie · 17/05/2023 20:29

Some councils are sensibly limiting the number if dogs one person can walk
https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2022-11-30/dog-walkers-banned-from-walking-more-than-four-animals-at-once#
https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/15146294.hampshire-council-puts-limit-on-number-of-dogs-allowed-per-walker/
I know Teignmouth also limit one person to 4 dogs.

Why we don’t follow the French laws I don’t know. Dogs are categorised, there are rules about dog being muzzled in public, which must be sterilised and have third party insurance.https://www.frenchpropertylinks.com/essential/pets-in-france.html Local police and gendarmes will check on dogs in public and respond to complaints. Any dog more than 100m from owners property is deemed a stray.

Agree far tougher rules need to made regarding dog ownership and they need to be enforced. Likewise when being walked by either owners or registered dog walkers, maximum number allowed to be walked together, if that means dog walkers have to do two trips with two different sets of dogs so be it.

YouWonJayne · 17/05/2023 21:04

TBH I’m beginning to lose sympathy with these idiots who buy these stupid breeds that continue to kill people. Why do they do it? It’s generally to look ‘hard’ not because they’re known for being great dogs to own. BIL has one. If it hurts him I’ll honestly struggle to muster any sympathy. He claims he’s the softest dog ever and play fights with it. Fucking moron

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 17/05/2023 21:05

''When she saw us she shouted: 'Turn back, turn back!''

It seems like she tried to protect others until her very last breath.

Many of us may have a very critical opinion of her actions (walking 8 dogs, owning a particular breed).
But her determination to defend others is truly admirable.

lljkk · 17/05/2023 21:05

I thought "XL bully" were extra large versions of bulldogs.
The Leonberger looks like a Newfoundland, not a bulldog. Much less XL bulldog.
#Confused

Windbeneathmybingowings · 17/05/2023 21:07

It slipped the pole and ran back to its owner. I agree those dogs should not have been shot (not the second one at least, I didn’t see what the first one did).

They should have been captured, investigated and returned if safe. However a xl bully or cane corso is very unlikely to be deemed safe imo. They are not like breeds seen in the UK before. They’d kill a 1980’s staff or even pit bull easily. I really think such large animals should be kept under license.

knittingaddict · 17/05/2023 21:08

BethDuttonsTwin · 17/05/2023 19:01

I’ll return to this thread when the results of the inquest are available.

A bit premature weren't you.

I have a family member who is a dog walker. They only walk 3 dogs at a time, would never walk a dog like a Bully and has let clients go when their dogs have proved problematic.

I have no idea what you are trying to achieve here, but I think you are misguided at best and offensive at worst. I am a dog lover, but not blinkered about how dangerous a dog or pack of dogs can be.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 17/05/2023 21:09

*her determination to protect others would be more appropriate, I suppose.

Ponoka7 · 17/05/2023 21:09

AnyaMarx · 17/05/2023 20:50

The breed definitely needs assessment- I've got quite cross with people bashing the police after the recent horrible incident in tower hamlets last week . A friend started a bloody stupid petition which came up in my social media - can you spare a minute to help xxxx- well I'm afraid I answered.

The male owner in that scenario was entirely responsible for his two XL bullies being shot , and he tazerd.

The dogs had attacked a dog Walker he i(the owner) was Of no fixed abode and banned from keeping or owning a dog .

But hey - it's all the police's fault . Let's get a petition going- those nasty police .

Sick to bloody death of dog attacks lately . And I'm a dog lover - 2 of my own . But this has to stop.

Has it since been established that she was attacked? The last reports said that she had got tangled up in the leads of her dog, was dragged over and that was how she got the leg injury. If those two dogs attacked, she'd be dead.

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