Page 17 | Dog walker killed by her own XL Bully Breed dog.

BethDuttonsTwin · 2023-05-17T17:30:05+00:00

NOT a pack of 8 dogs as was reported repeatedly with concurrent complete slating of all professional dog walkers. Absolutely awful. So many of us who have worked with dogs knew this would be the outcome and that packs of 8 dogs do not behave in this way. After investigations are complete we are now told that the only dog destroyed was the walkers own XL Bully Breed dog. Over and over again it is these dogs and still today I see a man strutting around my locale with two of these type dogs, both unneutered and off lead 🤷🏼♀️

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 16/09/2023 08:30

Ban all dogs a young child couldn’t win a fight against if it went nuts

Ozarkz · 16/09/2023 08:31

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 16/09/2023 08:30

Ban all dogs a young child couldn’t win a fight against if it went nuts

Well that would be all dogs bigger than a Yorkshire terrier then?

It’s not the size, it’s the breed. Tell me the last time an Irish Wolfhound killed someone … I’ll wait …

Outwiththenorm · 16/09/2023 08:55

I’ve read in Spain if your dog is over a certain weight (I think 25 kilos which is not enormous) then you need a certificate from your vet saying it is not dangerous. If it is dangerous then it needs to be muzzled. Just anecdotally I don’t see anywhere near as many of these bully type dogs where we visit in spain, and I wonder if it’s due to the hassle or if the sort of owners who want to look tough don’t feel as manly walking around with a muzzled dog.

Ban certain breeds for sure, but licenses based on weight could also work and takes away any ambiguity over breed.

bombastix · 16/09/2023 09:03

Yes. I think a serious, responsible person should not have a problem getting a license, insurance and a certificate on temperament. It can be objective and based on risk.

It would save lives. And people who own animals without these things would be banned from keeping any animal if caught. It is about owners and the breed.

Pandaparty · 16/09/2023 10:05

Feel pretty sorry for those owners who didn't get to see their dog for 7 months because of this. I doubt all of them knew their dogs were being walked in a pack of 8 with a banned breed.

Cutestfeet · 16/09/2023 10:07

Dogs have pack mentality. Her dog also never looked like a XL bully.
Don't you have anything better to do today but spread your fear mongering? They are being banned now go read a book on how to be happy

TheCosyRain · 16/09/2023 12:30

I’m not unnecessarily scared or wary of any other breed of dog other than bullys. I work with dogs. One came into work once. The owner and bought it on Facebook! An adult bitch. Pure muscle and built like a brick shit house. He bought her to breed from. His wife was pregnant at the time. Complete lunacy. Thankfully I didn’t have to go anywhere near her. She was fine but no thank you. All of the other dogs in the room were riled up just by her presence.

I was out walking my dog at the park once. There is a main area and a fenced area for people to let their dog off the lead. A bull dog was in there and would bark at anyone who approached. Owner telling everyone that the dog was fine and friendly. One guy took him at his word and went in with his small/medium breed dog. Then from across the park I heard a commotion and dogs fighting. I ran over and both these guys had each wrestled their dogs to the ground. I heard the second guy say “I thought you said he was alright”!!!! Bully owner replies “I’m sorry, I’m so sorry I thought he was”!!!

They should be banned. I just googled deaths by dogs uk and in the last few years they’ve nearly all been caused by this breed. For those disagreeing, I would be interested to know what action should be taken other than banning them.

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 16/09/2023 12:36

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Saschka · 16/09/2023 13:17

Emotionalsupportviper · 26/05/2023 17:20

*Ambulls, not Ambles

(Look, autocarrot - mind your own damn business, will you!)

I did think that was a bizarrely cutesy nickname for that breed of dog!

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I dont get this, what point are you making?

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BethDuttonsTwin · 16/09/2023 20:02

Pandaparty · 16/09/2023 10:05

Feel pretty sorry for those owners who didn't get to see their dog for 7 months because of this. I doubt all of them knew their dogs were being walked in a pack of 8 with a banned breed.

This. I cannot fathom what she was thinking to take so many dogs of differing sizes - dachshunds with a Leonberger & Bully Breed?. Any dog walker worth their salt will group walks by size and carefully consider personalities before walking dogs together.

For those who are implying that I posted this because I don’t like dogs, I adore dogs, I have a dog, I was a dog walker for many years. That is how I knew that that poor woman was not attacked and mauled by 8 vicious dogs as so many were so eager to believe. Honestly baffled by how much people appeared to have wanted that to be the case, no interest at all an alternate narrative. You’d think people who dislike and are afraid of dogs would have been relieved to hear how unlikely it was that was the case. Those are the dog haters not me - clinging to their preferred narrative. I heard about this terrible occurrence and I immediately said I didn’t believe that happened and that I would be very interested to know if there had been a bully breed as part of the group, i suspected there was as the breeds were kept quiet to begin with. I was snarked and sneered at on other threads as well as this one but I was right on all counts all along.

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paradoxically2 · 16/09/2023 20:07

BethDuttonsTwin · 17/05/2023 18:51

My OP is not misleading. She was killed by her own dog and at this time the only thing we do know for certain is that she was NOT attacked by 8 dogs because 2 have gone home.

Like I said.

Ok. So she was killed by her dog and attacked by 6 dogs in total. Is that better?

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BethDuttonsTwin · 16/09/2023 20:10

Ok. So she was killed by her dog and attacked by 6 dogs in total. Is that better?

She was not. You haven’t read the thread or the article have have you?

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Retrain12345 · 16/09/2023 20:27

@paradoxically2 The inquest has confirmed she was killed by her own XL bully. It was found standing over her body covered in blood.

The majority of the others have returned home, including the media victimised leonberger who had no involvement and was found calmly standing away with no blood on her and the dachshunds.

The media report states that “When examining the dogs, they were all passive. However, the kennel manager showed her a heavy plastic shovel used to clean Stan's cage. In temper, he had bitten clean through it”

So, once again the bully is smack bang in the middle of the attack. Once again people are still trying to blame anything but the common denominator.

WiddlinDiddlin · 16/09/2023 21:38

I wouldn't take media shock statements as proof of anything though.

Either, the dog was alone in a kennel with a plastic shovel and may well have been trashing it in play.

Or, the dog was in a kennel with someone cleaning out that kennel, suggesting he posed no apparent threat, and he directed either frustration or aggression onto the inanimate object, not the human.

So it isn't quite the proof that you think it is, that this dog was by temperament, dangerous.

That he could be dangerous because of his size and because an accident at that size is far more serious than at dachshund or cockerpoo size is really not in doubt.

You realise, there are many major blood vessels close to the skin in humans - an accidental nick from a tooth even in play, from a smaller dog, can kill - even a toy poodle can bite through a chicken wing and bone - thats much MUCH tougher than a few mm of human skin.

Dogs (and much smaller than this one) have killed people accidentally, trying to rouse them from fits, strokes, collapses.

There are other incidents and fatalities that go much further to proving that some XL bullies are a very different problem, that we have not seen before, than this one does.

Emotionalsupportviper · 17/09/2023 08:24

BethDuttonsTwin · 16/09/2023 20:02

This. I cannot fathom what she was thinking to take so many dogs of differing sizes - dachshunds with a Leonberger & Bully Breed?. Any dog walker worth their salt will group walks by size and carefully consider personalities before walking dogs together.

For those who are implying that I posted this because I don’t like dogs, I adore dogs, I have a dog, I was a dog walker for many years. That is how I knew that that poor woman was not attacked and mauled by 8 vicious dogs as so many were so eager to believe. Honestly baffled by how much people appeared to have wanted that to be the case, no interest at all an alternate narrative. You’d think people who dislike and are afraid of dogs would have been relieved to hear how unlikely it was that was the case. Those are the dog haters not me - clinging to their preferred narrative. I heard about this terrible occurrence and I immediately said I didn’t believe that happened and that I would be very interested to know if there had been a bully breed as part of the group, i suspected there was as the breeds were kept quiet to begin with. I was snarked and sneered at on other threads as well as this one but I was right on all counts all along.

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Like you I thought that it was

a) ridiculous that she was walking EIGHT dogs - any 8 dogs. If nothing else it is very easy to get tangled up in so many leads and trip and have a nasty fall - at worst, something like this can happen.

b) also like yourself, I would never have walked dogs with such disparity of sizes. Something like a leonberger could kill or cripple a dog like a dachshund just by accidentally stepping on it - and with a mixed pack like that, accidents are hard to avoid

c) again, like yourself, I was very confident that most of those dogs would not have been involved. When a dog fight breaks out, every dog except the protagonists just tries to get out of the way - especially if the aggressor is a large dog, as here. They are FRIGHTENED. They might join in if (say) one of them caught a rabbit - prey instinct could take over, but when it comes to a fight amongst dogs, their own species, or an attack upon humans, they'd keep clear unless they were a breed which couldn't be trusted because the aggression is bred into them, and I believe that American bulldogs are such a breed.

They are largely badly and carelessly bred,

Ozarkz · 17/09/2023 22:43

I said from the start there would be a bully breed involved and the fact that they tried to blame the Leonberger was frankly disgusting.

where are all those people who were saying “ha! It was cockerpoos and a Leonberger that did it, not a bully breed so you’re wrong” … where are you people now?

MakesMeFeelSad · 17/09/2023 22:52