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Dog walker killed by her own XL Bully Breed dog.

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BethDuttonsTwin · 17/05/2023 18:30

NOT a pack of 8 dogs as was reported repeatedly with concurrent complete slating of all professional dog walkers.

Absolutely awful. So many of us who have worked with dogs knew this would be the outcome and that packs of 8 dogs do not behave in this way.

After investigations are complete we are now told that the only dog destroyed was the walkers own XL Bully Breed dog. Over and over again it is these dogs and still today I see a man strutting around my locale with two of these type dogs, both unneutered and off lead 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Thelnebriati · 19/05/2023 22:46

FYI, Border collies that don't make the grade to be sheepdogs are sometimes sheep biters or even killers.

AmericanBullyOwnerAMA · 19/05/2023 22:50

TheHandmaiden · 19/05/2023 22:38

It's just pretty clear that the police should shoot these animals if they are not under control. The risk to human life is not worth it.

In my opinion, this should be the case with all breeds. Obviously only my opinion and I'm a genuine dog lover however I have noticed that the amount of genuinely out of control dogs around has increased massively.

My dog is on lead when he's walked unless it's open land with good visibility. He's walked on a lunge line/long line in public parks etc if there's lots of walkers/dogs around. He has excellent recall and is genuinely an utter wuss with everything, he's on a lunge line as most smaller dogs decide to have a go at him for no reason (I have no idea why!) I can remove him from the situation if he's attached to me.

We have dogs come up and harass him, off lead, on a daily basis. The owners have no idea if my dog Is on lead because he's reactive or not yet they insist on yelling "oh he's friendly" whilst simultaneously screeching their dogs name and being ignored!

HaggisBurger · 19/05/2023 22:50

Thelnebriati · 19/05/2023 22:46

FYI, Border collies that don't make the grade to be sheepdogs are sometimes sheep biters or even killers.

Do they kill humans? No. Didn’t think so.

Any dog has the pontential to kill a sheep. Anyone that grew up in the countryside knows that.

Im not sure what your point is in the current context.

AmericanBullyOwnerAMA · 19/05/2023 22:52

Thelnebriati · 19/05/2023 22:46

FYI, Border collies that don't make the grade to be sheepdogs are sometimes sheep biters or even killers.

Yes, I know. I also have a scar from a "sheep biter!" That's why I mentioned them.

CrossBun · 19/05/2023 22:54

There was no reason to even start breeding Bully XLs. They are just a way of producing a bigger stronger pit bull type. Seemingly that can get round legislation, although I’m not sure how.

Timeforchangeithink · 19/05/2023 22:55

My BC hates other dogs - every other dog in the entire world including the BC she lives with. She won't go near other dogs but has to be leashed if other stupid dogs with no recall come to her. Humans however she protects at all costs but if she didn't she would be PTS.

AmericanBullyOwnerAMA · 19/05/2023 23:00

AMuser · 19/05/2023 22:42

“Not every Labrador is capable of going shooting. Not every border collie can be a sheepdog. Not every spaniel can be a house dog. NOT EVERY BULLY HAS THE PROPENSITY TO BE A KILLER.”

Think about your statement with some logic. What’s the outcome when a lab doesn’t have a soft mouth and isn’t great on the shoot? Nothing really - great family pet.
A border collie that lets the sheep get the better of him. Not great for a farmer who bought for that and might want you rehome him blah blah. The consequences of it performing to its breed specifics are NON FATAL and INCONSEQUENTIAL.

A Bully XL that does or doesn’t have the propensity to be a killer … do you perhaps glean that the consequences here are a little bit higher. And that this propensity doesn’t come stamped on its arse when it leaves it’s (backyard) breeder.

FFS. It’s got a bloody jaw as powerful as a lions. So even if it’s a 5% chance it might snap on a given day and turn on me, my kids, someone else’s kid, another dog .. these are all beyond serious consequences.

The fact that you used this analogy really reinforces the idea that people who keep these dogs really are not very bright. at all

Well, this is a rather Ill informed post.

Fyi, and purely as I am posting somewhat anon here...

In regard to the lab: the lab who for whatever reason is not suited the shoot, for many reasons including the soft mouth - that lab turned out to kill 3 other dogs and had to live in segregation from all dogs.

The "sheepdog:" well, I shouldn't even humour this one tbh....a collie from working stock that isn't working can be a liability. I have the scars......from when I was 4 years old

Background - auntie sporadically bred working labs, lab in question was a one on his own and genuinely v dangerous with other dogs for no apparent reason.

CrossBun · 19/05/2023 23:03

I have the scars......from when I was 4 years old

Yeah, you’re not dead though.

WisherWood · 19/05/2023 23:04

Not every Labrador is capable of going shooting. Not every border collie can be a sheepdog. Not every spaniel can be a house dog. NOT EVERY BULLY HAS THE PROPENSITY TO BE A KILLER.

That's not the greatest analogy really, is it? What proportion of border collies make good working dogs? Now extrapolate that to bullys. What proportion of them have the propensity to kill? 'Oh, not all of them will kill you' might not be the great defence you think it is.

They also have an immense bit force - one of highest of all dog breeds. And I think that's where a lot of the problem with them lies. High bite force and they seem to have a propensity to go for the head and neck. Other breeds bite and can do a fair bit of harm. They're just not going for the jugular like that.

MovinGroovinBarbie · 20/05/2023 00:46

WiddlinDiddlin · 19/05/2023 20:48

@MovinGroovinBarbie Mmm... I disagree, I don't think anyone should have protection trained dogs unless a licenced guard dog/security handler, with some kind of permit authorising them...

That dog btw is trained using prong collars and shock collars, you can see the box on his wide collar and the prong collar round his neck. So he's been trained with pain to do as he's told. That is proven to be risky and increase the chances of aggressive behaviour towards humans.

What in my post do you disagree with?

That a trained protection dog, while not an ideal pet, is still likely to be safer than a dog not given any training?

MovinGroovinBarbie · 20/05/2023 00:51

Oysterbabe · 19/05/2023 23:22

This family had their pet pitbulls for 8 years and then one day they slaughtered their children. They are highly dangerous creatures and their instinct to kill is always there just below the surface.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kidspot.com.au/news/mum-of-two-toddlers-mauled-to-death-by-familys-pitbulls-out-of-hospital/news-story/11b26e30bb93ad7017ea252703856c40%3famp

It certainly surprised me to read that labradors are nearly as vicious as pit bulls in terms of their likelihood to attack kids.

oakleaffy · 20/05/2023 00:58

Emotionalsupportviper · 19/05/2023 09:02

I've known of a similar "unaware" (for want of a better word) abuse situation.

I was admiring a lady's springer spaniel on a dog walk and commented how small he was for an adult dog - was he the runt of the litter? She told me how they came to get it. Her husband worked for the council and was sent to do a repair to someone's home - a middle-aged man with learning disabilities on his own - and realised that there was a spaniel crammed into a rabbit hutch in the back garden. He asked the bloke did he not want the dog - YES! He DID want the dog. Plus some abuse etc Made a mental note to contact RSPCA.

RSPCA did nothing - dog was fed and watered and that was that as far as they were concerned, though apparently they offered some "advice". He went to the house again off his own bat to offer to buy the dog. This time the man's sister was also there - she didn't live with him, but visited. She told the man to hand the dog over, which after some argument he did. Dog was 18 months old and had been in a rabbit hutch almost all of its life.

It was (as you can imagine) just a bag od bones, covered with sh!t, wick with fleas and ticks, and hair so matted the vet had to anaesthetise it to shave it. Was terrified of everything. They'd done an amazing job with it and it was a lovely, if slightly shy little dog, but small for the breed. I was amazed that its temperament hadn't been spoiled.

I just hope that that man didn't get another one.

It's frightening to think how much "accidental" cruelty there must be out there.

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I didn't see this post of yours before ,but have now I'm home.

Oh yes, there will be tons of 'Ignorance' cases, and RSPCA often won't do anything, despite being a very wealthy charity.
If an animal has food, {Even if a little} water {Even if in a dirty bowl} and shelter {~Even if outside in a draughty shed or kennel..or Heaven forfend Rabbit hutch}, they don't seem to intervene.

Learning difficulties in humans can be a huge issue with how pets are treated.

I'm so glad the Springer spaniel ended up in a good home-and it's amazing the capacity for trust some abused animals have.

This lovely Terrier was rescued from a back yard breeding place where he was locked in a small bathroom .. He is such a gentle dog with dogs and people.

Dog walker killed by her own XL Bully Breed dog.
SickSadWorld · 20/05/2023 05:50

MovinGroovinBarbie · 20/05/2023 00:51

It certainly surprised me to read that labradors are nearly as vicious as pit bulls in terms of their likelihood to attack kids.

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There are just more of them, hence more bites.

Oysterbabe · 20/05/2023 06:21

MovinGroovinBarbie · 20/05/2023 00:51

It certainly surprised me to read that labradors are nearly as vicious as pit bulls in terms of their likelihood to attack kids.

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Yes labradors are the most common breed, there are 10s of thousands more of them than bully's. I think I read something like bullys are responsible for 50% of deaths but make up 0.5% of dogs.

WisherWood · 20/05/2023 08:17

It certainly surprised me to read that labradors are nearly as vicious as pit bulls in terms of their likelihood to attack kids.

There's a big difference between saying 'a labrador is more likely to bite you', and 'you're more likely to be bitten by a labrador.' There are around 61,500 labradors registered in the UK. I can't find the stats for American Bullies but let's be generous and say it's 6,150, which also makes the maths easier. If 10% of all dog bites came from bullies and another 10% from labs, that would not make them equally dangerous or equally vicious. It would actually make the bully breed 10 times worse.

It's a bit like saying Ford Fiestas are the most dangerous cars because they're involved in the most collisions, rather than realising it's just because they're the most common car on the road.

CrossBun · 20/05/2023 08:35

In the UK there have been 20 people killed by dogs since 2020.
9 have been by Bully XLs.
No one has been killed by a Labrador or BC in the U.k. Ever.

Oysterbabe · 20/05/2023 09:10

It seems to me that XL bully's go for the throat and head more so than other dogs so more likely to inflict fatal wounds.

GSD20 · 20/05/2023 09:50

@CrossBun and the rest are almost exclusively bull breeds. American bulldog, cane corso, British bulldog, SBT, SBT cross, mastiff.

Yet bull breeds are not the problem…

HaggisBurger · 20/05/2023 11:38

WisherWood · 20/05/2023 08:17

It certainly surprised me to read that labradors are nearly as vicious as pit bulls in terms of their likelihood to attack kids.

There's a big difference between saying 'a labrador is more likely to bite you', and 'you're more likely to be bitten by a labrador.' There are around 61,500 labradors registered in the UK. I can't find the stats for American Bullies but let's be generous and say it's 6,150, which also makes the maths easier. If 10% of all dog bites came from bullies and another 10% from labs, that would not make them equally dangerous or equally vicious. It would actually make the bully breed 10 times worse.

It's a bit like saying Ford Fiestas are the most dangerous cars because they're involved in the most collisions, rather than realising it's just because they're the most common car on the road.

Those stats were from the US.

On the list of uk dog fatalities over last 10 years nearly every one is American Bully XL or cane corso or similar.

No labs mentioned.

Sarvanga38 · 20/05/2023 12:07

WisherWood · 20/05/2023 08:17

It certainly surprised me to read that labradors are nearly as vicious as pit bulls in terms of their likelihood to attack kids.

There's a big difference between saying 'a labrador is more likely to bite you', and 'you're more likely to be bitten by a labrador.' There are around 61,500 labradors registered in the UK. I can't find the stats for American Bullies but let's be generous and say it's 6,150, which also makes the maths easier. If 10% of all dog bites came from bullies and another 10% from labs, that would not make them equally dangerous or equally vicious. It would actually make the bully breed 10 times worse.

It's a bit like saying Ford Fiestas are the most dangerous cars because they're involved in the most collisions, rather than realising it's just because they're the most common car on the road.

And that's around 61,500 Labradors registered in just one year, of course, not in general - plus many many more unregistered. Millions of them in the UK.

Never heard of one of them killing anyone, causing arm amputations (yes, some American Bullies actually required their owner to have his arm amputated, Darwinism at work) or causing the sort of injuries that are becoming such regular news with the status breeds we are discussing.

The whole "it's not the breed" is becoming more and more ridiculous with every one of these stories that break. I do, of course, hope that none of these people who are saying their dog is soft as butter with them or their kids ever have cause to regret their choice of dog, but statistics show that a lot will.

WisherWood · 20/05/2023 13:49

Those stats were from the US.

The stats in the article were from the US, yes. And they related to bites, rather than fatalities. Labradors feature highly in bite stats in the UK too. There's some info here https://www.hannegrice.com/advice/breed-most-likely-to-bite/
So you're relatively likely to encounter labs, because there are a lot of them. And if you do, you might get bitten. You're a lot less likely to encounter a bully, but if you do, it's much more likely to bite and it's far more likely that that bite will be fatal.

You could say it's not the breed but that it attracts bad owners. But that just seems to me to be a roundabout way of saying it's the breed. It's starting to remind me of the gun debate in the US and I think similarly, perhaps our dog legislation should be like our (UK) gun legislation. You can only own them if you can prove you need them, and if you're of sound mind.

And the breed most likely to bite is.... - Hanne Grice Pet Training & Behaviour

According to the Kennel Club, the number one breed in the UK is the Labrador.  This friendly, lovable breed has long been a family favourite. However, with evidence suggesting most dog bites are from the family pet that’s had no previous history of bit...

https://www.hannegrice.com/advice/breed-most-likely-to-bite

CrossBun · 20/05/2023 15:15

and the rest are almost exclusively bull breeds. American bulldog, cane corso, British bulldog, SBT, SBT cross, mastiff.

Yes it’s the bull breed line characteristics isn’t it. It’s really clear.

it's the breed

It’s both. Yes a bad irresponsible owner can lead to any dog becoming a problem. But certain breeds have inbred characteristics that mean they’re not only more powerful, but also more likely to attack, fight and kill. Seemingly with an element of unpredictability.

WhisperingAutistic · 20/05/2023 15:18

uk.news.yahoo.com/15-dogs-seized-including-9-135116814.html

Looks like the recent death was probably from a puppy farm.