Dog walker killed by her own XL Bully Breed dog.

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NOT a pack of 8 dogs as was reported repeatedly with concurrent complete slating of all professional dog walkers.

Absolutely awful. So many of us who have worked with dogs knew this would be the outcome and that packs of 8 dogs do not behave in this way.

After investigations are complete we are now told that the only dog destroyed was the walkers own XL Bully Breed dog. Over and over again it is these dogs and still today I see a man strutting around my locale with two of these type dogs, both unneutered and off lead 🤷🏼‍♀️

To further add to the difficulties with dog ownership/popularity stats...

Most data comes from kennel clubs.

America has two main ones:

• United Kennel Club, which will register American Pit Bull Terrier
• American Kennel Club, which does not list APBT, but does list the American Staffordshire Terrier, and the AmStaff can be listed with the UKC as an APBT.

Then theres insurance - now many insurance companies will not cover APBT or charge a much higher premium, so of those insured, most won't be described as what they are but as crossbreeds, Lab crosses, AmBull mixes, etc etc. And most won't be insured at all.

Data from rescue kennels - tends to lump AmStaff, AmBull and APBT together as 'pitbull'. if they list them that way at all. Again there is a tendancy to list them as crossbreeds of less controversial breeds like Labradors and indeed there are a lot of Lab x types out there in both the US and UK.

In the UK of course, whilst theres more dogs insured, we're still getting data from the Kennel Clubs puppy registration listings so that obviously will not include crossbreeds or breeds not recognised here. So none of the XL bullies, AmBull, Pitbull type, etc etc.

Insurance companies won't insure pitbull types and as none of those breeds is a recognised breed anyway, those that are insured are insured as crossbreeds. Many will not be insured at all.

The most common breeds in American shelters, are the xl bully/ambull/pitbull types - they make up three of the top four (and jack russell/rat terrier types are number 3).

Unpopular, uncommon breeds do not show up in rescues. People may be ditching them or leaving them to stray, but people are also producing them an owning them in huge numbers in the first place - and I believe this is also evidence that such breeds are more likely to be owned by less responsible owners.

@CrossBun - Agree with your last paragraph- It IS Breed.

Dogs have been selectively bred for certain traits- And fighting, Bull baiting breeds are likely to attack- it’s hardwired into them to have that short fused potential aggression.

A new to dogs person was shocked when his friend’s sighthound chased and killed a rodent- But hundreds of years of selecting for chasing rabbits and rats is hardwired into them.

Yes.

Reminds me of Eddie Izzard’s line on US gun lobby: “They say guns don’t kill people, people do. But I think the gun helps. Just standing there going ‘bang’ won’t kill many people”.

Equally, bad owners standing there going ‘woof’ - won’t kill anyone without a powerfully aggressive dog attacking them.

And not just traits, they’ve been selectively bred to be large powerful and heavy - making them hard to restrain physically.

One that has a certain amount of criminal activity attached to judge from the cash seized. Let's not kid ourselves about the people who breed and then own these dogs. They do it to frighten others, or make people feel intimidated. Part of the amusement is also insisting that in defiance of all logic that they are soppy and nice. Even the dog's appearance is frightening, with large jaws.

Same owners are insistent they should not be judged. Again, it's part of the fun of it, and basically antisocial.

Most bull breeds were initially selectively bred to be aggressive and courageous towards other dogs, bulls and bears, but also to be very biddable and gentle with people - more so than most other breeds of dogs.

People weren't stupid, just because they lived a few hundred years ago. No handler wanted a dog that would be as likely to attack them or their families as they were to attack the animal they were set against. The handler wanted a dog that they could pull out of a fight, in a high state of aggressive arousal, but that would not attack them. Dogs which were cowardly, or of bad temperament, were culled and not bred from.

That's how staffies were traditionally known to be incredibly gentle house dogs.

Most of them still are, unless they have been selectively bred from the most unpredictable dogs. If you get a well bred staffie from a responsible breeder, you will get an absolute peach of a dog. That said, you never trust any dog with a small child, because just like us, dogs can be ill, in pain etc which can cause them to react poorly.

I would think the above applies to most other old, well established bull breeds and molasses types eg rottweilers, too. These XL bullies and pit bulls are comparatively new, and perhaps they have been irresponsibly bred, but please don't tar all dogs with the same brush.

*molosser, not mollasses.

Bugger you, autocarrot! 😠

Agree.

This particular breed has been deliberately bred as a "weapon" - and even in good, experienced hands I wouldn't trust them. Nor akitas. either.

Very true about the sheer size and weight of these dogs
Very few humans could control one if it decided to attack someone or someone ‘s pet dog.
Jack Russells and Patterdales can be “ Hard” dogs at times- and have tragically killed babies- but one stands a chance at being able to kick it away if necessary.

A lot of the “Man stoppers “ on you tube sensible trainers are speaking out against- Having children killed is just not worth the risk.

It is not unknown.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tanyachen/group-of-dogs-attacked-killed-a-woman

And they are highly reactive and can be snappy if they aren't kept busy.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2004206/Cameron-Whithers-8-lucky-alive-Border-Collie-mauls-head.html

What a stupid comment.

Not stupid at all. We know all dogs can bite. It’s only certain ones that are doing the vast majority of the killing.

Staffies are the best.

They ARE, @JMSA !

They're lovely!

And they are highly reactive and can be snappy if they aren't kept busy.

Which is a good argument for never leaving a child with any dog and to always be vigilant.

The fact that bully XLs have killed 9 out of 20 people since 2020 in the uk and pit bulls/ types have killed so many people in several countries is a good argument for banning them. (Or at least restricting them eg like Spain).

The never leaving a child with a dog argument doesn’t work with this breed.

Since 1 January 2020, there have been twenty fatalities. Out of these twenty, ten were XL Bullies. And out of these ten deaths, eight were adults, with five men, three women.

Are people really reassured that if a child is never left alone then they are safe and all is well, given that at least one adult woman above was not alone and her partner sustained horrendous injuries trying to save her.

I hate the fear mongering with this breed. I have one and she jumps on me because she is scared of small dogs, I also had a boy who was the same and not fixed.
both dogs were raised with 3 older cats.
Never attacked another dog or shown aggressive behaviour, the male was bitten by bulldog and he did nothing back.

Also I have been bitten by a yorkie twice, a lab and a bulldog in my lifetime.

Please post your source.

after reading the article it seems the dogs ganged up on her, there are 5 which are still in kennels, doesn’t really say why the XL bully was blamed but another dog was unruly who was in the pack.
she should not have been walking that many dogs period, dogs have pack mentality.

“One of the dogs was an 11stone Leonberger that appeared on a BBC TV show about problem puppies - and was renamed Shiva because it was so unruly.
The pet appeared with her then owner Delia Lewis, on BBC Two's 10 Puppies and Us in 2017. Originally called Maple, she was filmed running around professional psychic Ms Lewis' home and going to the toilet on the carpet.
Ms Lewis posted on social media after the incident that the dog, whose name she had to change due to her unruly behaviour, was 'one of the ones missing'.
She added: 'She's a Leonberger, please if you have any information please tell me where to go or what to do.' “

Which is a good argument for never leaving a child with any dog and to always be vigilant.

We responsible dog owners on here are unanimous in agreeing with you @CrossBun . You are preaching to the converted.

Even gentle, loving dogs are "only human" and have their limits - as we all do, too - and it's unfair on both the dog and the child.

Ms Lewis isn't much of a psychic is she?
olden;t be anywhere near a dog IMO.
Nor should she ever have another dog, let alone get this one back (if that's what she's after) - it was the lack of training which turned "Maple" into "Shiva". The woman sh

Yes you have. We can READ.
you are fear mongering and encouraging people to harass owners of these dogs aka me and others.
I get so much issues because of people like you spreading lies on my dog that I use for my aniexty issues.

Sorry - Half of my final sentence managed to get itself between the paragraphs.

The majority of owners understand how to be a good dog parent. The majority research their breeds and characteristics and make informed decisions as to the breeds they would like to take on. The majority train their dogs to be good citizens

Absolute bollocks.

People...lots of people...are stupid. And mistreat their dogs horribly.

Just go on any facebook dog training/info/enrichment group and look at the questions and photos people post.

'We're looking at breeds but can only go on a walk for 15 minutes a day - we're thinking either cocker spaniel or lab, what does everyone think is best?'
'I'm at work from 7.30 till 6pm every day. What enrichment activities can i leave out for my husky?'

'Love my babies' - cue photo of massive bulldog type hound with a baby sitting on them.

It's truly fucking horrifying.

One of many sources here @LadyRos . Just google Joanne Robinson dog.