The WHO want your four year old to be taught about masturbation and gender identity

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/13/outrage-over-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants/

This is where queer theory gets you. Women have been sounding the alarm on the consequences of the promotion of queer theory in all realms of life. This is what it looks like when applies to sex ed for very young children.

So, before you dismiss people like me as modern day Mary Whitehouses, just take a read and ask yourself why? What problem is this solving? Why do very young children need to be taught about sex and sexual pleasure? Are they benefiting, if not, who is?

(article behind a paywall, but there is a trick that will allow you to read it. A quick google should tell you).

Parents should remember in English schools I believe they have a right to remove their child from sex education lessons if they so choose.

It is certainly wise parents are asking what is being taught in a particular school of course so they know and then can take their own informed choice.

This was the case when my youngest’s school did SE.

Another local school has a trans child attending, they sought info from a charity who led training, and their SE sessions included more about gender - they did warn parents though, and over half chose for their children to leave the room after the focus on biology was over. They referred to pregnant people and people with cervices throughout thought, which some complained about. The reply to complainants was that the lgbtq+ charity had advised this for reasons of inclusivity.

Astralitzia · Today 11:01
The ages 0-4 table in the article doesn't contain any of that though. That preview image in your OP doesn't seem to be included in the telegraph's article at all in fact. So what ages is that for?

It is for ages 0-4
See screen shot from the Who document

I already taught my 4 year old about masturbati and gender identity.

"Yes, it does feel nice when you do that darling. But not on the sofa please. Only by yourself in private"

Put the pearls down op.

They already know about masturbation because they all do it.

No they don't...

The only time a 4 year old ever needs to be told about masturbation is if an adult sees them doing it and needs to step in and have a chat. It should not be taught to them. And again, not all children do it.

They certainly don't masturbate in a deliberate way like adult and teens.

bolgnees · Today 20:34

I agree with what you said.

The screen shot I posted before is from this Who Document. Page 37 or 38 seems to be the same as the page as the one in the Telegraph.

^WHO Regional Office for Europe
and BZgA^

Standards for Sexuality Education in Europe

^A framework for policy makers,
educational and health authorities and specialists^

https://www.bzga-whocc.de/fileadmin/user_upload/BZgA_Standards_English.pdf

But what does everyone think to the parallels with the PIE document?

What schools are one 1 and 2 year olds attending? The document clearly lays out that parents are the primary source of information for children 0-4yo and outlines some age/developmental appropriate responses to questions from children of these ages. This is how children learn (are educated) as opposed to being 'taught' formally.

WHO advice goes out to every country in the world. And there are still some countries where ‘masturbation’ even when 4 yo kids do it is harshly punished. I remember my husband telling me of how his friend (a muslim) was whipped by his dad after ‘touching himself’ when he was 5 & suffered lifelong psychological damage associated with sex afferwards.

As does this document

'When talking about the sexual behaviour of children and young people, it is very important to keep in mind that sexuality is different for children and adults and that adults should not examine sexual behaviour of children and young people from their own perspective.
Adults give sexual significance to behaviour on the basis of their adult experiences and sometimes find it very difficult to see things through children’s eyes. Yet it is essential to adopt their perspective.'

Flounder2022 · Today 21:10

What schools are one 1 and 2 year olds attending? The document clearly lays out that parents are the primary source of information for children 0-4yo and outlines some age/developmental appropriate responses to questions from children of these ages. This is how children learn (are educated) as opposed to being 'taught' formally.

The document that page about four year olds is from clearly says on the front cover that it is for:
^A framework
for policy makers,‘educational and health authorities and specialists^

It is true 0-3 are mainly in nurseries if they live in the West, or with their parents, though many children start school when they are still four.

But it must be a directive to think of children as being sexual from their birth on. This too is a concerning way to think.

The idea that children are sexual from the time they are babies goes back to the Kinsey report in 1956. It was highly influential.

Also deeply problematic. See the paragraph below from:

How Alfred C. Kinsey’s Sex Studies Have Harmed Women and Children
By Robert H. Knight

^Sanitizing child sexual abuse
Kinsey also based his liberal view of child rape on research tabulated in Graph Tables 31- 34 in the male volume, which chronicled systematic sexual abuse of boys aged 2 months to 15 years old. Kinsey concluded that the boys, despite violent reactions and crying, enjoyed being manually and orally stimulated by pedophiles. To Kinsey, what most people thought was rape was merely “sex play” with children, which was essentially harmless, particularly if the child gave “consent.”10 He also included this chilling observation: “Orgasm is in our records for a female babe of 4 months.”11 The Kinsey Institute, situated on Indiana University’s campus, continues to refuse to open the records of the Kinsey child sex data to public scrutiny.^

ScrollingLeaves Thank you for mentioning Kinsey's "research", which is where all the statements about babies being "sexual" from birth stem from, ie. from the reports of paedophiles, who Kinsey paid to tell him about how they had raped and sexually abused babies and young children, recording the children's screams, struggles and attempts to escape as evidence of their "pleasure".

This is not "made up" - enough of Kinsey's original records are in the public domain to verify this and the head of the Kinsey Institute after Kinsey's death confirmed it.

There is a lot of information about Kinsey in this current Mumsnet thread:

Where did PIE go? WHO and UNESCO new guidance has routes in Queer Theory, Sex Positivity and believes children are "sexual from birth"

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4796258-where-did-pie-go-who-and-unesco-new-guidance-has-routes-in-queer-theory-sex-positivity-and-believes-children-are-sexual-from-birth

This is the "evidence" that PIE relied on to argue that adults should be allowed to have sex with babies and children, under the banner of "children's liberation". Today it is called "children's autonomy".

The most extreme proposal by PIE was that children aged two and over should be considered capable of consent to sex with adults, suggesting that "loving" parents should introduce their infants to sex. Under two, PIE recommended that parents should be able to consent to other adults having sex with their children.

All this is in the public domain. Some of these people, male and female, are still alive and still advocate for "Love has not age".

Confusion over the "WHO" standards.

I agree with pp that this is not a "WHO document" in the sense that it is not AFAIK provided on the WHO website.

However, it has been produced by the "WHO Collaborating Centre for Sexual and Reproductive Health" and there is a whacking great WHO logo on the page hosting the document:

Standards for Sexuality Education

https://www.bzga-whocc.de/en/publications/standards-for-sexuality-education/

As pp have noted, the WHO CCSRH is in Germany and the Standards are intended to apply to Europe rather than globally. There are a lot of "WHO" standards tailored to specific populations.

WHO CCSRH says:

"In its role as WHO Collaborating Centre (WHO CC), the BZgA supports the WHO Regional Office for Europe in developing and implementing standards and activities in the field of health promotion and sexual and reproductive health. One of its main thematic focus lies on comprehensive sexuality education (CSE) for children and young people in the WHO European Region."

https://www.bzga-whocc.de/en/about-us/

So it is hardly "nothing to do with WHO". It has everything to do with "the WHO European Region".

PP keep posting links showing that this document has nothing to do with SRE in Ireland. Nice to know but it has influenced SRE in Wales, which is the example cited in the Safe Schools Alliance UK report.

The 2017 document "Informing the Future of the Sex and Relationships Education Curriculum in Wales" analysed by SSAUK quotes and cites the WHO CCSRH Standards:

"Sexuality education starts early in childhood and progresses through adolescence and adulthood. It aims at supporting and protecting sexual development. It gradually equips and empowers children and young people with information, skills and positive values to understand and enjoy their sexuality, have safe and fulfilling relationships and take responsibility for their own and other people’s sexual health and well-being. (WHO 2010)"

Page 60

https://orca.cardiff.ac.uk/id/eprint/107648/1/informing-the-future-of-the-sex-and-relationships-education-curriculum-in-wales-web.pdf

The Welsh document repeats the mantra of paedophiles from Kinsey to PIE that children are not "innocent" or "pre-sexual", evidenced by the fact that even babies play with their genitals. Babies also play with their toes but that doesn't mean they are foot-fetishists or nascent chiropodists.

As Springissprunging notes, "If penises arent sexual for 3 year olds then how is that any different to them taking their socks off all the time to play with their feet/toes?"

It is no different - unless you are a paedophile or have bought the lie peddled by sexologists and other academics who rely on Kinsey's interpretation that a baby playing with its genitals is exhibiting "sexual" behaviour, is demonstrating "infant sexuality", is "not innocent" and therefore capable not only of consenting to sex with an adult but "seducing" an adult.

These are the exact same justifications used in court by adults who have raped and sexually abused toddlers.

What the Welsh document said in 2017:

"Frequently children and young people are viewed as ‘innocent’ or ‘pre-sexual’ beings, sparking unproven concerns within schools about the potential for SRE to ‘corrupt childhood innocence’ or ‘prematurely sexualise’ young people (Blaise 2005; Kehily and Montgomery 2013; Robinson 2013; Taylor 2010; Faulkner 2010; Renold 2003; 2013; Epstein, Kehily and Renold 2010; Bhana 2016). Yet expressing sexuality through sexual behaviours and relationships with others is a natural, healthy part of growing up. For example, for children aged between 0-5, behaviours such as holding or playing with own genitals, curiosity about other children's genitals, interest in body parts and what they do and curiosity about sex and gender differences reflect ‘safe and healthy development’ (see Brook 201510)."

Page 37

‘In some instances school leaders can obstruct high quality SRE, often due to perceived concerns about parental reactions or ‘outdated notions of childhood innocence’

Page 106

What the Paedophile Manifesto said in 1975:

"This study seems to indicate that these children undoubtedly do not deserve completely the cloak of innocence with which they have been endowed by moralists, social reformers and legislators." (citation of Lauretta Bender)

‘Thus, it is not remarkable that frequently we considered the possibility that the child might have been the actual seducer rather than the one innocently seduced’ (citation of Bender and Blau)

‘We recognise that deeply held beliefs in the sexual ‘innocence’ of children are not easily shaken by evidence to the contrary.’

‘The weight of evidence is overwhelmingly in support of the contention that children experience sexual feelings and have and enjoy sexual relationships with other children and adults, of both a homosexual and heterosexual nature.’

‘Some children actually seek out sexual contact with older people, and millions of others engage in sexual activity with their peers as a perfectly ordinary part of their lives.’

https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/the-pie-manifesto/

See the "Table of Comparison: Key Concepts & Themes" page 51 onwards for how the WHO CCSRH and UNESCO compare with the Paedophile Manifesto:

https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2023/04/29/unesco-who-sexuality-education/

IT NEVER HAPPENS!!!

Obviously pleased to hear from all the responsible teachers posting reassurance but:

a) many authorities are relying on outside providers, schools are not vetting them and in some cases parents have been refused access to information about materials, tutors and lesson plans

See "No Secret Lesson Plans In UK Schools" and have a scroll down the timeline to see how often this happens:
https://twitter.com/NoSecretLessons and

"What's Being Taught In Our SCHOOLS? - The Bad Law Show - Clare Page"

b) some outfits commissioned by local authorities are so dodgy that after being exposed they have deleted their websites or hidden the content, eg. the incongruously named "Respect Yourself" run by "Jonny Hunt" you will have to search a web archive site to see what was being taught to children in Warwickshire, Gloucestershire and Doncaster:

https://respectyourself.info/

Or check out the links on this SSAUK page about Warwickshire:
https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2019/11/05/council-sex-education-website-which-featured-descriptions-of-extreme-sexual-acts-under-review-coventry-live/

Or this article in the Morning Star, for those allergic to the Mail, Times and Telegraph:

How a sadistic industry is being sanitised
A number of councils have produced suspect sex and relationships guidance aimed at children and young people, which fails to draw attention to the widespread harms of pornography.
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/how-sadistic-industry-being-sanitised

Any teachers in Wales recognise anything here?

Queer Theory in Welsh Schools
https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2022/10/09/welsh-rse-code-queer-theory/

Please don't come with the, "It isn't happening!" just because it is not happening in your school. All you can say is, "It's not happening in my school".

Then again, as some pp are so quick to advise that we should not believe the aunt who recounted a story about her niece, a banana and a condom in a sex ed lesson, why should we believe all the "It never happens!" claims on here when there is so much evidence that it is happening.

Oh. And how is it supposed to be reassuring that, on the contrary, this is "old news" and it has been happening for ages and the sky hasn't fallen in?

Yes, it has been happening for ages but that doesn't make it right. It is also worse now when parents are not even permitted to remove their children from lessons if they do not approve of what they are being taught.

ps. If you know a 13 year old girl who doesn't know what "Bukakee" or "Daisy Chaining" are, or is troubled by anal sex being painful and wants to know how to endure it in order to accommodate her rapist, tell her to talk to someone who attended RSE lessons in Warwickshire, Gloucestershire or Doncaster when she was 13 years old.

https://twitter.com/StimEducation/status/1183823580481642497

I'll take 'what is a wall of text complete with links from right wing anti lgbtq nut jobs' for $5000 please Alex

Exactly. All these 4 year olds engaging in this behaviour should raise alarm bells for these parents.

I've got more faith in people than that they'd listen to someone who thinks its clever to make smart ass comments about protecting children from sexual abuse.

I'd like to thank @Bosky for her posts. I knew some things about Kinsey but she's provided lots of really interesting resources.

If posters don’t want to read it they can just scroll rather than make pointless digs

And this is an example of deliberate minimisation and dismissal.

You obviously weren't around when Warwick etc, were forced to remove their RSE content Just There were numerous threads about it.

I wonder what staff at the Morning star think of being called 'right wing nut jobs'. 😀

And the rise of fundamentalist Christians in the US who are against anything sex ed or LGTBQ in schools or elsewhere so are homeschooling and teaching their children that sexual pleasure is only for a man and woman in marriage and beating their kids or tying their hands together if they confess to masturbation.

And the rise of fundamentalist Christians in the US who are against anything sex ed or LGTBQ in schools or elsewhere so are homeschooling and teaching their children that sexual pleasure is only for a man and woman in marriage and beating their kids or tying their hands together if they confess to masturbation.

And in some countries/cultures girls are married off young and can't say no because they have no concept of bodily autonomy (amongst other things)

Here is a WHO discussion of bodily autonomy.

https://www.unfpa.org/press/bodily-autonomy-fundamental-right

Keynote by UNFPA Executive Director Dr. Natalia Kanem at a side event on “Bodily Autonomy – a fundamental right” during the sixty-sixth session of the Commission on the Status of Women.

Greetings Excellencies,
Distinguished Delegates and Friends,

Bodily autonomy... What exactly is it and what does it mean to UNFPA?

It is often misunderstood and often taboo, even in the most progressive societies. The first step to realize it is articulating the concept itself and talking about it in conversations like we’re having here today.

Bodily autonomy means my body is for me; my body is my own. It’s about power, and it’s about agency. It’s about choice, and it’s about dignity.

Bodily autonomy is the foundation for gender equality, and above all, it’s a fundamental right.

For UNFPA, bodily autonomy is mission critical.

We know that when women and girls have the information, the services and the means to make decisions about their own bodies and lives – free from violence, discrimination or coercion – they can chart their own destiny and realize their full potential.

And when they do, the benefits – to their health, education, income and safety – extend to their communities, countries and beyond.

Societies flourish when women and girls are empowered to exercise their bodily autonomy. Yet, many are still denied this basic right.

Somewhere today…

…an adolescent girl learns that her 13th birthday will be her wedding day.
...a young woman seeking contraception is told she needs her husband’s consent.
…a man forces his wife to have sex in a country where marital rape is not illegal.

UNFPA partnered to collect international data that found nearly half of women lacked the power to make their own decisions about whether to have sex with their partner; whether to use contraception, or whether to seek healthcare.

1 in 5 countries have laws on the books preventing women and young people from accessing contraceptives without the permission of their husbands or parents.

We see violations of bodily autonomy when a lack of choice leads to unplanned pregnancy. We see it in life-derailing practices such as child marriage and female genital mutilation. It is there when people are denied their right to live free from violence and harm, including online, as is their bodyright.

Some violations go unchallenged. They are reinforced by deeply rooted social and gender norms. Indeed, some of the most persistent barriers to bodily autonomy involve harmful stereotypes and misconceptions about the rights of women and girls.

Overcoming them will require a deep shift in mindsets and attitudes. It will require comprehensive sexuality education. And it will require laws that enable, rather than constrain, human rights.

UNFPA is committed to promoting women’s autonomy and decision-making on sexual and reproductive health; to protecting the rights of adolescent girls; and to advocating for policies that advance gender equality and reproductive rights.

But we certainly cannot do it alone.

We need a grassroots movement that is impatient. We human rights defenders to help us advocate for greater progress and stem the regressive tide of political pushback sweeping across the globe.

Thankfully, there is a growing contingent of women activists around the world pushing forward and challenging patriarchy, despite great personal risks.

Justina, a young human rights defender in Argentina told us:

“If you want to improve your quality of life and the quality of life for all women, never stop questioning society or calling for change.”

I couldn’t agree more.

As co-leader of the Generation Equality Action Coalition on Bodily Autonomy and Sexual and Reproductive Health and Rights, UNFPA is calling for a decisive, coordinated set of actions to achieve bodily autonomy, reproductive rights and gender equality well in time for 2030.

Yes, it is ambitious. But together we can achieve it.

As we observe Women’s History Month, let us be inspired by abolitionist and women’s rights advocate Sojourner Truth, who said:

“If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back, and get it right side up again!”

Together, let us turn the status quo around and roll back the barriers to bodily autonomy holding back too many women and girls. Doing so will bring us closer to what we’ve never had and what we desperately need – a just, prosperous and gender-equal world for everyone.

It is not about giving children the capacity to consent to sex with adults.

Which is another thing happening in the Conservative Christian fundamentalist groups. Girls brought up to believe their sole purpose in life is to get married young, bei 'joyfully available' whenever their husband's want sex and produce baby after baby for God's army as contraception is interfering with God's plan.

And if they're sexually abused at any time in their life it's because they made the abuser 'stumble'.

But they're out there shouting about how it's the homosexuals and the transpeople who pose all the risks and corrupting society.

I think we are better off with just teaching girls before their periods start in the biology lessons about some basics and leave the rest to parents at home and for younger children concentrate on English and maths etc