The WHO want your four year old to be taught about masturbation and gender identity

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/13/outrage-over-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants/

This is where queer theory gets you. Women have been sounding the alarm on the consequences of the promotion of queer theory in all realms of life. This is what it looks like when applies to sex ed for very young children.

So, before you dismiss people like me as modern day Mary Whitehouses, just take a read and ask yourself why? What problem is this solving? Why do very young children need to be taught about sex and sexual pleasure? Are they benefiting, if not, who is?

(article behind a paywall, but there is a trick that will allow you to read it. A quick google should tell you).

Why are you, @Astralitzia and @ZittingBiting so sure it didn't happen? Are you calling @QueenCamilla a liar? Her niece told her. Do you usually go around calling people liars and dismissing their experiences? I don't think you have the right do invalidate anyone's testimony and accuse them of lying because it contradicts your niavety.

When I was at school admittedly near 3 decades ago, we were shown how to put condoms on bananas. The condoms could have been latex or latex-free, I don't remember, no one knew about, or gave a shit about, 'latex allergies' back then. It's not a stretch to imagine the way society/teachers are these days that they would learn to put them on with their mouths given oral sex is used as part of sexual education.

The WHO doesn't want that.

No, that is misinformation. Not "all" babies do it. Some do, but not all.

I'm getting a screaming urge to watch the Goodies Sex Education episode.

Absolute bullshit.

Sorry people are calling you a liar, @QueenCamilla . How dare they, they have absolutely no right. I think they are convincing themselves it's a lie, because they don't want to confront the truth. It's easy to dismiss evidence than face the fact you're ignorant and naive to what is actually happening. It's a way for them to brainwash themselves into denying the truth. I believe you. I think many of us learned how to put condoms on bananas in sex ed, with your mouth is just the next step considering they discuss oral sex in sex ed (which I don't have a problem with the discussion of oral sex per se, in high school sex ed).

Because it isn't true. It's not in any sex Ed curriculum and Queen Camilla backtracked and said 'maybe it wasn't true'

It's nothing to do with 'naivety'. It's knowing what happens in schools and 14 year olds at no pont in UK schools ever have been taught to simulate oral sex on a banana as part of sex Ed.

There's a difference between naivety and not believing any old shit anonymous people say in the Internet to back up their crazy posts.

Yes, I will absolutely invalidate people lying on the Internet about important subjects like what is being taught in schools when it's not true.

It's not testimony, it's a post on social media.

Yes, I do say she's lying (or has been misinformed).

No school would teach a 14 year old to put on a condom with their mouth. If they were, it would have been all over the news and that teacher would rightly have been fired.

Everyone has the right to call out misinformation and lies.

Her story is not "evidence" any more than me saying "my cousin's friends dog saw @Neopolitan nicking an old woman's handbag" is evidence. Unsubstantiated posts on social media are not evidence.

I just searched right through QueenCamilla's posts, and not once did she say "maybe it wasn't true".

"If they were, it would have been all over the news and that teacher would rightly have been fired."

Chryst, you really believe that don't you?
In this age not only would the teacher not be fired, but it's not even noteworthy to even be reported or on the news.

If the WHO want four year olds to be taught about gender identity, does that mean the WHO has worked out (a) what the fuck gender identity actually is, and (b) why we should care?

Because the last time I looked at the WHO's page on gender and gender identity it was incoherent gibberish.

These are clearly people who have never been around children.
I mean... we all played "doctor" as kids! I didnt know about SEX, had zero idea about it, but looking back, playing doctor was very sexual.
There was loads of sexual play when I was aorund 4/5/6.
I just didnt know what it meant!

Girls dont have a penis, so its less obvious, but 4 year old boys will NOT leave their penises alone! They are obsessed! Of course they know how to masturbate, even if they dont know what it is.
My nearly 3 year old nephew had a meltdown the other day, as, after being naked for a bit at the beach, he didnt want a diaper put on, as he wanted to play with his penis...
Absolutely normal!

Then why are the media jumping all over old WHO reports and taking them out of context (as per this thread), but are oddly totally silent on the alleged banana incident?

Because surely, surely they'd be all over that given how keen they are to safeguard children (apparently).

Or could it be that it's complete bollocks and there's no story there at all.

Because 14 year olds being taught how to put a condom on bananas is commonplace as is talking about oral sex to 14 year olds in sex ed. It's 14 year olds, so completely believable. Not four years old, as this thread is about. If four years were taught it then yes it would make headlines. But 14 year old teenagers? Nope. It's unremarkable.

Kent a sex-positive liberal county? Are you actually from the UK? because that sure sounds like rhetoric from ultra-religious conservatives from the States.

Or maybe we've been around normal children and you've been around hyper-sexualised children. So you automatically assume that's normal for children.

The obsession part seems over stated ime

It seems unlikely that ALL the children I meet are hypersexualised, and are abnormal.
However, as I remember from being a child who played Doctor in kindergarden, we didnt do it in front of adults.
So maybe youve repressed your memories form that time, and as an adult dont get to see the evidence of what is happening right in front of you. Or maybe you have very little contact with small children.

Also, ask a pediatrician if it is normal for young children to masturbate and theyll tell you it is not unusual at all!
just because you dont believe it/see it, it doesnt make it not true!

She said:

"Happened indeed. Well, I wasn't there but the 14yo was. A school in Kent.
We were gobsmacked but the actual family found it somewhat amusing"

"And Strangely (not really) enough, Kent is just the sort of sex-positive, liberal county where the banana+condom would happen. I actually hope it didn't but the teen was convincingly shocked, blushing and weirded-out whilst telling me about it"

So Queen Camilla was acknowledging she wasn't there, having a bizarre idea that it COULD happen in Kent and hoped it didn't happen.

Which is acknowledging it might not have been true.

Do you think 14 year olds were being taught to give a blow job to a banana in school and her family found it amusing? And this wasn't raised as an issue by any teachers or parents and didn't make it's way into the press? That non-curriculum blow job sex Ed was happening in Kent? As a 'sex-positive Liberal county' that would somehow not be subject to national sex Ed curriculum?

You think it's likely that this was happening with no-one mentioning it? But that it's more likely that an anonymous poster on MN 5 years after the alleged incident suggests it happened and her family thought it was funny?

Do you not know how people evaluate evidence? And conclude if something is likely to be true or not?

Do you believe everything anonymous people on the Internet say even if it goes against all actual evidence to the contrary?

Teachers are not teaching teenagers to put condoms on with their mouth.

You need to provide evidence that that is part of UK sex Ed

Some part of me believes it's to normalize relationships where no one has a child, identity of self be that furry,queer, everything else, being a responsible adult and having a family is looking like be very vanilla and niche in the future.
Reduced population= less resource and climate issues.

So if you bother to read current WHO guidance on their website - which is not directed for implementation in specific countries, it covers gender in the context of gender stereotyping, tackling gender based violence and empowering women and girls. In steps broken down by age group.

Please read the actual document as there’s so much misinformation on the thread.

Some part of me believes it's to normalize relationships where no one has a child, identity of self be that furry,queer, everything else, being a responsible adult and having a family is looking like be very vanilla and niche in the future.
Reduced population= less resource and climate issues

hopefully a very small part with the bigger bit being more rational.

So if you bother to read current WHO guidance on their website - which is not directed for implementation in specific countries, it covers gender in the context of gender stereotyping, tackling gender based violence and empowering women and girls. In steps broken down by age group

Yes. As well as challenging early marriage, early pregnancy and supporting sexual and reproductive health.