The WHO want your four year old to be taught about masturbation and gender identity

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/13/outrage-over-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants/

This is where queer theory gets you. Women have been sounding the alarm on the consequences of the promotion of queer theory in all realms of life. This is what it looks like when applies to sex ed for very young children.

So, before you dismiss people like me as modern day Mary Whitehouses, just take a read and ask yourself why? What problem is this solving? Why do very young children need to be taught about sex and sexual pleasure? Are they benefiting, if not, who is?

(article behind a paywall, but there is a trick that will allow you to read it. A quick google should tell you).

https://fullfact.org/health/who-alcohol-women/

This.

The police would probably log a non-crime hate incident….against you. Because you discriminated against a paedophile, sorry minor attracted person.

Oh this is the way to spin grooming then.

What? Parents talking to their children about their bodies when they're touching themselves and not shaming them?

That's grooming is it? Funny definition you have there.

Don't be silly.
4 year olds already know how to masturbate.

OP: makes wild claim

Posters: provide various evidence against said claims

You: well I guess they don't mind their children being groomed.

Can you not see how mad this is? Look at the claims being made and then look at the actual information in the article. It doesn't add up. You don't have to swallow everything you're told and not everyone is out to get you or your children. The media sensationalise stories like this all the time.

As far as I can see, no-one as yet has any solid evidence that this is true. Where are the children coming home telling their parents about it? Where is their homework? Where is the official syllabus from schools which includes this?

There isn't any.

It's the media taking things out of context and running wildly away with it.

If your 4 year old knows how to do this, that’s a safeguarding issue right there.

It is not grooming to teach small children autonomy.

The Telegraph is a Tory sh*t rag

To masturbate?

Poor kids with parents who now see this as normal and literally complicit in the grooming of their own children. Spinning it doesn’t change what it is.

Small children don't have autonomy. They're minors.

If you're doubting whether this stacks up, read this especially p51 for a handy table of PIE/UN/WHO

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Comprehensive-Sexuality-Education-A-Review-of-UNESCO-and-WHO-Standards.pdf

The links are there. And if you very sure you can spot grooming, try passing this quiz. Is it PIE, UNESCO, or Wales?

twitter.com/genderisharmful/status/1655908690438791169?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

In what way?
All small children masturbate.
It's normal.

@Swrigh1234 it's actually a normal part of child development. They explore their own bodies and find when they touch certain parts it feels nice. Both my children have done it and I have had discussions with both that it's ok to do (to themselves) but that it has to be done privately.

Small children DO masturbate before they reach puberty though, although they of course don't understand the full context.

It's not pleasant to think or talk about but it's a natural behaviour which doesn't necessarily indicate there is abuse.

It obviously needs to be managed carefully and they need to be taught that some things are private and shouldn't be done in public, but it is not a "wrong" behaviour per se.

Exactly.
All my children did it, too.
We told them it was normal to do it but they should make sure it was done privately.

Many children do masturbate. It’s naive to think they don’t and that it’s an externally learned behaviour. I had a conversation with a group of friends a few years ago and a few of them could remember masturbating from age 5, even more of them from at least age 7. Some more like 12, and others not at all. There is a wide range within the ‘normal’ curve.

Telling children that masturbation is normal is not grooming them FFS.

It's normal childhood development. You're the weird one here.

https://learning.nspcc.org.uk/child-health-development/sexual-behaviour#article-top

https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/preschool/Pages/Sexual-Behaviors-Young-Children.aspx

Absolutely. I think it should all be in conjunction. It’s sort of like the US gun control issue isn’t it …

It's interesting that people are saying "we taught our children that masturbation is normal / feels nice / etc". The key word there is "we", as in the parents. But this report is about education and educators. One wonders what sort of people would have an interest in talking about explicit sexual issues with other people's pre-teens.

There's some unusual stuff in the original WHO report about breaking down morality as well, with the implication that morality, in the concept of sex education, are a bad thing.

If you think that small children masturbaring is a safeguarding issue, who do you think it should be reported to?

@Swrigh1234

Absolute rubbish. I would think most four year olds masturbate. My DD used to hump cushions when she was 3, because it 'felt nice'. She didn't know why, or the full implications of that, but she was certainly masturbating. We just explained that it was a normal feeling, but best to keep it to when she was in private.

Almost all four year old boys walk around with their hands down their trousers at some point!
On it's own, it's certainly not a safeguarding issue.

But it's not sexually explicit.

Teaching children that some things, such as touching certain parts of their body, should only be done privately is not sexually explicit.

Teaching children that it's okay for them to touch their bodies but that no one else is allowed to except for very specific reasons (e.g., a doctor with a trusted adult present) is not sexually explicit.

Teaching children that they have the right to not be touched and that if anyone touches them, or tries to touch them, in any of those areas of their body then they should speak to a trusted adult is not sexually explicit.

Children who are educated about what is healthy and where boundaries should lie, as well as how to enforce those those boundaries and what to do of someone is crossing them, are at a lower risk of abuse than children who are not.

Well if your small children masturbate in public, please do your bit of parenting and ask them to carry on in private (as weird as that sounds).
I see no need whatsoever to discuss such private, sexual matters in a class setting lead by adult strangers.

I'm 36 and I wouldn't want that sort of "awareness" done to me.
I would have felt completely uncomfortable with masturbation and sex topic as a child. How about those boundaries?? Not wanting to talk sex in class?

The only person spreading "awareness" and "comfort within my body" was also abusing me as a child.

I'll FUCK UP any adult talking sex to my small child before they fuck my child.