The WHO want your four year old to be taught about masturbation and gender identity

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/13/outrage-over-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants/

This is where queer theory gets you. Women have been sounding the alarm on the consequences of the promotion of queer theory in all realms of life. This is what it looks like when applies to sex ed for very young children.

So, before you dismiss people like me as modern day Mary Whitehouses, just take a read and ask yourself why? What problem is this solving? Why do very young children need to be taught about sex and sexual pleasure? Are they benefiting, if not, who is?

(article behind a paywall, but there is a trick that will allow you to read it. A quick google should tell you).

Same as sexual intercourse education is on the curriculum but teachers aren't fucking in front of the class or getting pupils to have sex with each other.

You're a pervert, you've made it obvious why you're so invested in this thread.

Reported.

When I was at school oral sex was on the curriculum so they could teach us that some stds can be transmitted via oral sex and therefore we should still use condoms

Is that what you are advocating to take off the curriculum?

It's a fact-based section of the curriculum, as in "here are the facts about sex, including oral sex". Factual, unambiguous information alongside teaching about safe sex, healthy relationships and the legalities (e.g., consent).

There is no practical segment of the sex education curriculum. We do not ask the class to demonstrate what they've learned or send them off to practice it.

Informative sex education reduces teen pregnancy, reduces STIs, reduces abusive relationships and promotes health.

Why wouldn't you want teens to know that? If you think there aren't 14yr olds out there having sex then you're deluded, better they have the knowledge to do it safely than bumble along uninformed.

Please do point out the posts where there are sick peverse attitudes?

Except for the posts where people are adamant that teachers must be teaching children how to masturbate and how to perform oral sex and that a boy even touching his penis is because hes being abused. Because that says more about their attitudes and interests than it does anything else.

Some posters are trying to say that teaching safe sex and about bodily consent is because people are pedophiles.

I would imagine that actually for pedophiles it much better to advocate for no sex education and children to be unaware of their rights to bodily consent.

Currently the poll is 20% YABU, 80%YANBU, yet the posters on the read seem to be the reverse.

Read = thread

I don't get the stress about "early childhood masturbation". Some children do explore their bodies, and find out that what adults call "masturbation" feels good. In a non-sexual way. Feels rather daft to put it on here, but I was doing a rudimentary form of over the clothes "masturbation" from when I was a small child, no sexual abuse, it's just that I found out that it was a nice sensation and it helped me to get to sleep. Of course, I had to be taught that it was okay to touch my crotch area when I was somewhere private, such as in bed or in the bathroom, but that it was not okay to do it in front of other people. I suspect that's what the note on "early childhood masturbation" is referring to. It's just a part of childhood development, for some children. They're not saying "teach children how to masturbate", they're saying "teach children that some activities [including this particular developmental stage for some kids] are private". The sexual link doesn't come until much much later.

Oh I've just read the rest of the thread and realised posters have already pointed out about small children having their hands down their pants and needing to be told not to. That's basically it. Just because it's sexual for adults doesn't mean it's inherently sexual for kids. It's just a sensation in their body that they are learning about through experimentation.

Great, and?

My four year old has a trans older sibling so is already aware of gender identity.
Guess what? She isn't scarred or mentally damaged by it.

Stop clutching your pearls, grow up and try living in the real world. Jesus, it's ridiculous that there are people that are still this 'delicate' over everyday things.

Grow up.

Pushing gender identity and sexuality on children is degenerate and pure social engineering.

To clarify, my response was aimed at the OP.

I've not read any replies, as the mother of a trans child I don't want to potentially get sucked in to a discussion that may make me see red.

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A beautiful example of what I meant right there.
Get a life.

It would be the same with pushing a religion. Except this religion comes with glitter, rainbows, and "be kind" admonishments followed by swift public takedown and excommunication for non-believers.

It's nothing to do with LGB, who've been hijacked for the purposes of queer theory and a patriarchal agenda.

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I’m guessing that some of the zeitgeist of some posters stem from being teachers (in Ireland?) or involved with developing educational policies and are feeling a sense of being personally attacked and outraged by what they view as fear mongering by other posters with safe guarding concerns.

If so, why not come straight out with your credentials to strengthen the reliability of your blanket statements?

@CheeseTouch and @YetAnotherSpartacus there are highly laudable aims in WHO guidelines around female rights and concerns.

It is possible to include laudable objectives and problematic objectives for young people within the same document.

For example, the guidance that another poster linked also includes guidance that a child 5 years old be taught to define gender and biological sex and describe how they are different.

Defining gender and how it’s different from biological sex is highly problematic objective for many reasons. For example, this has led to some organisations in the uk providing. educational materials to schools suggesting non-conformity to gender stereotypes should be seen as synonymous with having a different sex. Surely we’d all agree that is not a healthy message for children?

Wasn’t the point of the thread to show how the WHO (even if old)/UNESCO documents read almost identically to a PIE manifesto from 50 years ago?

IME grassroots feminist groups such as Safe Schools Alliance tend to do their homework as they are judged far more harshly and critically than other groups. Maybe I’ve got it wrong this time.

I’ve read the SSA report and was shocked at the similarity to a paedophile group’s wish list.

So is the document fine? Lots of posters seem to think so. Was PIE actually a benign organisation that had children’s best interests at heart, and therefore we can assume that MAPs of today are similarly on the ball regarding young children’s sexuality?

This thread has left me more confused than I was before.

Was that aimed at me @DrBlackbird ? I stand by my earlier words. I’m not a teacher and have nothing to do with education aside from being a parent. Nothing to do with Ireland either.

The 2018 WHO guidance has a lot of content about upholding the rights of children, and especially women and girls.
I see people expressing outrage at something that isn’t real, when there are really serious issues to focus on! So naturally I will call it out alongside others.

As for defining gender, if anyone can give me a clear definition of gender that does not rely on damaging stereotypes (that should have been abolished a long time ago, instead of roundly adopted and rigidly adhered to), then perhaps I’ll consider whether it’s useful to children.
As it is I am perfectly happy in my opinion that gender ideology in relation to children is akin to child abuse, it’s dangerous, illogical, leaves children vulnerable to grooming, and is highly confusing to all developing children.

I'm not in Ireland. I work with KS1 and KS2 children, I'm also qualified to work in EYFS but it's not my preferred area. Over 14yrs experience of working with children of varying age groups including children with SEND.

I can tell you that four year olds are not being told how to masturbate or encouraged to pick a gender and that it is fear mongering. If you're concerned about what a school is teaching your child then check their website, their PSHE and sex education policy should be available and you can also call them to discuss it in detail.

Thanks for responding @IamAlso4eels so what you’re saying is that there is no discussion KS 1 and 2 in relation to RSE is that there is nothing about gender in there?

IME I haven't encountered discussion of gender in KS1 and KS2, everything is focused around healthy relationships, healthy bodies, positive boundaries, etc as described in my posts above.

Puberty is introduced in KS2 (in year 4 at my school) but again it's based around the same principles.