The WHO want your four year old to be taught about masturbation and gender identity

[GrabbyGabby]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/13/outrage-over-who-advice-on-sexuality-for-infants/

This is where queer theory gets you. Women have been sounding the alarm on the consequences of the promotion of queer theory in all realms of life. This is what it looks like when applies to sex ed for very young children.

So, before you dismiss people like me as modern day Mary Whitehouses, just take a read and ask yourself why? What problem is this solving? Why do very young children need to be taught about sex and sexual pleasure? Are they benefiting, if not, who is?

(article behind a paywall, but there is a trick that will allow you to read it. A quick google should tell you).

None of that disregards what she said originally. She said her niece told her, so I think we can all take it as read that the poster wasn't there. But her niece was. And her niece told her.

Do you usually go around calling people liars just because you personally don't have experience that something happened, so you automatically assume it didn't happen? Is that what you normally do? Accuse people of liars/accuse their relative of lying?

At 14, our class had the 'putting condoms on bananas' lesson - at least two kids did indeed then do it with their mouths, behind the teachers back, to get a rise out of the rest of the class.

Both were typical class clowns, no teacher TOLD them to and when one was caught they were sent out for being a twat.

I can absolutely see someone going home and either for shits and giggles, shock value or because they hadn't understood the context, repeating this to a parent.

When people come on here saying that their kid said this and that about school posters always remind them that kids arent always the most reliable narrators

But suddenly we are supposed to fall over ourselves to believe that a 14 year old was made to use their mouth to put a condom on a banana, and that the teacher had deliberately bought in flavours condoms to do so. And that after telling their family members about it the grown ups all laughed merrily and did nothing, including that poster who is apparently now up in arms about it?

This sounds rather too much like my sisters husbands aunt saw aliens so they must exist

Yes I call people liars when they're lying.

She is lying. It didn't happen. It is not part of the UK sex Ed curriculum and isn't happening and hasn't happened 5 years ago.

It's not about 'personal experience' it's about knowledge of schools, curriculum and people talking complete bollocks on the Internet.

Yes. This is most likely the explanation.

Yes. This is most likely the explanation.

Teachers aren't getting teachers to simulate a blow job on a banana in class.

So in a thread about safeguarding the message you seem to want to be pushing is that people are bad if they dont automatically believe that posters on social media are who they say they are and should always be believed?

Yes, masturbation in children is normal, but this level of obsession and hyper-sexualised behaviour in this: but 4 year old boys will NOT leave their penises alone! They are obsessed! Of course they know how to masturbate, even if they dont know what it is.
My nearly 3 year old nephew had a meltdown the other day, as, after being naked for a bit at the beach, he didnt want a diaper put on, as he wanted to play with his penis...

is NOT normal!

Again, you cannot possibly know it didn't happen because all schools are DIFFERENT. Just because it's not actually officially in the curriculum does not mean teachers don't utilise various teaching methods to teach what is in the curriculum.

In a thread about safeguarding, shouldn't we tell adults to believe children like the OP's niece and not accuse them of lying?

Use your common sense. No teacher is going to teach safe sex by suggesting sticking a condom in your mouth, where your teeth might damage it, as a method of putting it on a penis.

Schools still have to adhere to a curriculum and national standards you fool.

They can't just go 'off piste' and decide they want teachers to teach blow jobs.

They're publicly funded institutions and as such, can't just do what the hell they like.

Why you are so desperate to believe adult teachers are getting teenage pupils to simulate blow jobs is suggesting you have a problem. Not that it is actually happening.

The childs parents, absolutely they could have done something about it

Random unrelated posters absolutely not, its perfectly fine to question it and apply critical thinking

No one is telling the child they are lying, unless the aunt randomly decides to pass that information on in the unlikely case any of this is true and not exaggerated, and if she did that would be on the aunt not the other posters.

The only people posing the risk are posters telling people to believe everything they read on the internet and an aunt who apparently did nothing to encourage the adults in the nieces life to do anything about it and just posts about it online instead.

Yes it is.
Just because you havent seen it, it doesnt mean its nor normal or doesnt happen.
Parents tend to tell kids to not touch themselves in public. And from a certain age, they understand that.
But all my friends who have boys have reported this kind of behaviour.
And my nephew is still a bit too young to understand, so he did play with his penis at the beach, and then didnt want it covered.

They are not hypersexualised. They are the normal kind of sexualised.

If a 14 year old had reported a teacher taught them at school to give blow jobs then it would be investigated.

That's not what's happened here. Here, an anonymous person online claimed they had an anonymous niece that 5 years ago was taught to give BJs in an anonymous school.

Do you not see the difference?

No-ones accusing a 14 year of lying, they're accusing an anonymous poster online of talking bullshit.

I guess if people think 'teaching children about masturbation' = 'teaching children how to masturbate' like some posters on this thread have jumped to then 'teaching children about oral sex' = 'teaching children how to apply condoms orally' isnt that great a leap of logic.

When you add in the various posts about how awful things are happening in welsh schools which are not in fact happening (mostly im guessing by non welsh posters) at a time when labour are leading wales and we are coming up to a general election with a weak conservative government it all makes total sense.

There are concerning things happening in the world and in the UK. But some of these posts around the shock and horror of teaching kids sex ed have a wiff of puritaism to them

*My nearly 3 year old nephew had a meltdown the other day, as, after being naked for a bit at the beach, he didnt want a diaper put on, as he wanted to play with his penis...

is NOT normal!*

You are the one making that sexual. If penises arent sexual for 3 year olds then how is that any different to them taking their socks off all the time to play with their feet/toes?

Schools can teach oral sex to teenagers like 14 year olds it's in the curriculum. So teaching how to put a condom on a banana with your mouth would be part of that, a teaching style that fits with the curriculum.

Why are you so desperate to be naive and call everyone else liars because you're naive and assume if you haven't it of it, it therefore doesn't exist?

"If a 14 year old had reported a teacher taught them at school to give blow jobs then it would be investigated."

I doubt it would be. Oral sex is part of the curriculum.

Oh and apparently Queen Camilla had a 14 year old report to them that they were being taught to give BJs at school and Queen Camilla did nothing about it and other family members thought it was 'amusing'.

But posted 5 years later that it might or might not have happened.

If you're going to talk about safeguarding then Queen Camilla was the one that failed to do that.

No-one else here is saying that if a 14 year old told them they were being taught to put a condom on with their mouth at school would accuse them of being a liar, I think everyone here would report that as a safeguarding concern.

But Queen Camilla apparently did not. And that's one of many reasons why she is being accused of lying.

No-one is saying they would tell a 14 year old reporting that to them, that they were a liar. So you can drop your nonsense about 'children not being believed'.

As I've given links to earlier in this thread, "excessive" masturbation can be a sign of sexual abuse. The link I provided show this. That poster said boys will NOT leave their penises alone!

They are obsessed!

And then said their nephew had a meltdown at not being able to touch his penis anymore.

There language was rather extreme. Masturbating in children is normal. But excessive masturbation is not.

But posted 5 years later that it might or might not have happened.

Where did she say that?

Is education about oral sex part of the curriculum? Yes.

Is it that teachers are teaching pupils to give BJs? Or put on condoms with their mouth? No. Absolutely not.

You have a weird obsession that you think things are happening in schools that are not.

You're the weirdo here obsessing about teenage sexuality and desperately wanting teachers to be doing things they're not.

Sounds like you're getting a thrill out of it to be honest since you keep ignoring every sensible poster giving facts and evidence while you go back to weird ideas teachers are teaching blow jobs.

This is very misleading. People looking for an excuse to be outraged as per usual.

If oral sex is on the curriculum, why would it not be taught?

You're the one who is weirdly desperate to deny it's happening and I don't know why.