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Vegan inviting themselves to join a dinner resulting in everyone having a crap dinner

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NewShoesForSpring · 13/05/2023 20:31

I was away with work meeting several international colleagues.

3 of us were staying in the same direction & decided we'd head back together & get some dinner on the way. The quiet girl, let's call her Mary, heard us & said she was staying in the same general direction & would leave with us. We had no problem with this & so once we were finished up that drink we left the general group & checked if she was ready etc

We get off the metro at a busy area close to where our hotels are & there are loads of lovely bistros etc, all busy so one of the group suggestes we try one that looks v nice & has loads of people dining etc. We go over to take a look at the menu (though if it had been just me & the person who suggested it I'd say we'd have just gone straight in! It was getting late & we'd been slightly concerned we wouldn't even find dinner at that stage. So this place looked perfect.

Anyway Maria is hesitating by the menu & then she pipes up that she's vegan....

She tries asking the waiter if they have anything but he doesn't understand & do we're all standing about dithering & she had NO suggestions of what she'd like to do..we start walking around the square looking at all the menus....its now 10.15pm...I can feel our chances of finding some nice food fading...

She spends AGES reading every menu to reject them all. Eventually she stops in front of a cheap Lebanese place & says 'oh falafel I love them...' so we found ourselves eating a really crap dinner. Essentially it was like a takeaway place with plastic cutlery.

The colleague who suggested the Bistro is perhaps late 60s & has a condition that gives her a tremor & she wanted to sit inside as it was getting chilly outside

Maria the vegan said oh shall we sit outside? It's nicer..more dithering for the group of 4 if us as we don't know each other & everyone was trying to be polite

I was getting to the end of my patience then so went to the bathroom & said I'd find them

Came out...they were outside...poor other colleague was wrapping a scarf around herself. We were surrounded by people smoking those glass pipe things (I forget the name)

The food was v basic. I ordered a vegetarian plate (it looked like that might be the best option ). It consisted of cubed potatoes, rice, a small spoon of veg moussaka & bread - cards on carbs!

I ate it without fuss & also worked hard to keep the small talk inclusive etc . I asked Maria how she normally copes with the vegan diet when travelling & she said she usually gets supermarket food. So from that point of view I was glad she did stay out.

But bloody hell there was a really selfish part of me thar was looking longingly across the square at the lovely bistro & wishing for a lovely glass of red wine & steak et frites...it had been tantalisingly close. I also wanted to chat to the older colleague about a part of work / project we're both involved in but it would have left Maria out of the loop.

And to top it all...I we spent so long faffing about finding vegan food by the time I got back to my hotel the bar had closed so I never even got thar glass of wine!

I REALLY wanted to say to Maria & the 4th colleague who didn't seem at all bothered by any of it - you go for the vegan stuff. Me & other colleague want go in here & eat meat / fish. But somehow that just didn't seem possible.

I woke up today feeling like a horrible person even though i did not let Maria know I was irritated....

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NeedCoffeeNowPlease · 15/05/2023 09:59

ListeningToZach · 15/05/2023 09:40

I’ve only once encountered a ‘vegan type 2’ and I know a lot of vegans. He was a dick about a lot of stuff though. Most people just get on with life making their own choices and accepting/ignoring others choices in daily life.

I do lots of campaigning for animal rights and veganism, but only in the appropriate places. When at social events, it’s not a thing, just like every other vegan I know, apart from one.

These vegan type 2s seem to be mostly an urban myth, discussed on here by those with an agenda, but rarely seen by anyone without one. 😉

I have no agenda. I love to eat vegan and would happily go to a vegan restaurant. When I eat out I usually choose a vegan or vegetarian option because I prefer it. I'd be happy to be vegan myself but the rest of the family aren't interested so it's hard to do it for just one while still catering to them. I'm also involved in animal rights, but not the kind you are obviously.

I'm not making up my former friend, vegan 2.

TrollyHolly · 15/05/2023 10:04

ListeningToZach · 15/05/2023 09:40

I’ve only once encountered a ‘vegan type 2’ and I know a lot of vegans. He was a dick about a lot of stuff though. Most people just get on with life making their own choices and accepting/ignoring others choices in daily life.

I do lots of campaigning for animal rights and veganism, but only in the appropriate places. When at social events, it’s not a thing, just like every other vegan I know, apart from one.

These vegan type 2s seem to be mostly an urban myth, discussed on here by those with an agenda, but rarely seen by anyone without one. 😉

I've known one type 2. Who was not only extremely loud about being vegan but constantly ranted about how she was vegan years before it was 'trendy' and when it was 'hard' to be a vegan.

Most in my experience are type 1. One of my friends I didn't even realise she was vegan for months after meeting her. We love sending each other youtube videos of people making 'an exact dupe of smoked salmon out of dried melon ' because she finds them hilarious.

Banditdog · 15/05/2023 10:17

NewShoesForSpring · 14/05/2023 01:32

I'm still here. Just arrived home after a v long journey & have been keeping up with all the replies.

I have to day I'm absolutely amazed that so many of you think I, and the other 2, were lily livered & in the wrong to try to find something M could eat. And also that so many of you would have just declared that you were eating in the bistro & that was that even though one of the party couldn't eat there.

Honestly I just could not do that. I cannot imagine turning to her & saying essentialiy I don't care that you can't eat here nor that you have no idea where you might find food suitable at all and it's 10.30pm - sort yourself out, I'm staying here.

I think the purpose of my post was originally air a disappointment that I came so close to having a nice meal & then the circumstances changed.

Many people think I was in the wrong - some think I was weak & ineffectual & others think I was wrong to feel (privately) disappointed & still others think I'm wrong to make a post about it because its a first world problem & no big deal & a total non-event

So it's interesting

I have just read all your posts, it wasn’t until I was quite far through them that I realised Maria and Mary are the same person. I was wondering where Mary was going to come into the initial tale - at one point I thought you were going to say quiet timid Mary made a hulk like transformation and tore a strip off Maria. 😊

Anyway I don’t think I would have dumped Maria / Mary in order to go to the bistro, I think that would have been rude. But I am in the non event camp, it was one meal, you are not going to be permanently scarred because you didn’t go to the bistro you wanted. I also didn’t think it was that hard to find vegan food these days.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 15/05/2023 10:24

I'm sure it was annoying but particularly in the case of your colleague - why didn't she speak up and say she would rather sit inside?

NONE of you spoke up and were irritated because one person did. I think you all need to work on your assertiveness tbh.

UnaLaguna · 15/05/2023 11:09

I'm surprised how many vegans say they'd go into the bistro and ask for them to make 'something vegan' when it's apparent the waiter didn't understand what vegan means.

I've travelled with a vegan friend before, admittedly sometime ago, but things like 'vegan' salads arriving with ham/egg/creamy dressing, soup with bacon bits etc. weren't one off occurrences.

I'm coeliac now (wasn't then thank goodness as that would have added even more complexity) but you'd be surprised how many people working in restaurants will happily point out the vegan items when you ask if they have anything that's gluten free!

FriedEggChocolate · 15/05/2023 11:33

I'm guessing that this took place abroad, from mention of the metro. Having witnessed a vegetarian in France being given mashed potato and lettuce as their evening meal back in the day, I'd suggest that it's the inability of this location to provide meals suitable for vegetarians or vegans that's the issue. Had Bistro 1 had a dish she could eat, you'd have all stayed there. She had to keep going until she found a middle Eastern place that offered food she could eat. Maybe she wasn't thrilled at plastic cutlery either, but didn't have the choice because nowhere else served food she could eat.

Swishhh · 15/05/2023 11:41

Mary should stick to going out to dinner with Maria.

Cariadm · 01/06/2023 01:33

Dontlistitonfacebook · 13/05/2023 20:43

Oh that sounds so annoying! At least you got dinner though.

I am dairy free for medical reasons. Went to an event recently ( the organiser knew I was dairy free and said to come). There was nothing I could eat. Had to watch others eating delicious food while I drank black tea.

Said it was fine, I'd eaten etc (true, because I've been in these situations many times ) as didn't want anyone to feel bad. But I did feel a bit sad to be honest!

So yeah, I understand your disappointment.

Know how you feel! Over 30 years ago my husband and myself, both veggies, went on an All Inclusive to Cancun in Mexico...breakfast and lunch were fine but dinner was always Hobson's Choice, meaning there was usually, if we were lucky one meal we could eat apart from vegetables, salad, rice and chips!! We booked and paid extra for the New Year's Eve Gala Dinner after being promised faithfully there would be food for us, yes, you've guessed it, there wasn't one thing we could eat on the menu!! So we ended up having to go 'downtown' and find a restaurant open on New Year's Eve, luckily we did although I can'r remember what we ate!! We NEVER went All Inclusive anywhere ever again!! 😱

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