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ID of Starbucks non binary Southampton manager revealed

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Birthdaygirltoday33 · 13/05/2023 12:42

Their name is Luna Spain

DM link:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12077475/Starbucks-manager-sacked-transphobia-rant-activist-terrifies-neighbours.html?ico=related-replace

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AutumnCrow · 13/05/2023 15:07

KittyAlfred · 13/05/2023 14:41

@booksandbrooks he wouldn’t have been called Luna at birth would he. Probably had a perfectly normal male name. I think it’s hilarious that he’s changed his name to Luna, probably before all the TRAs decided that J K Rowling was evil!

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I remember reading on Twitter the accounts of a number of persons who were thus conflicted deciding to believe that the books were written by Daniel Radcliffe, because alternative realities are possible.

fuckthemail · 13/05/2023 15:08

Mentalheath · 13/05/2023 15:05

Did you watch the video to see who was making a scene? To see who stormed over to who and demanded the phone?

I, like many other became aware of the video before it was picked up by many media outlets.

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Actually my point is more that -

The daily mail is always shit

Sharing anti trans articles helps noone.

I don't really care about one specific incident. The point is is that if there were no trans people involved this wouldn't even make the "news"

KittyAlfred · 13/05/2023 15:10

cakeorwine · 13/05/2023 15:00

Of course the Daily Mail seem to run a lot of articles that show trans people in a negative light, they rarely show positive stories about trans people.

For some reason. Anyone would think they want to create an impression about trans people to help reinforce the impression some people have about trans people - and to reinforce stereotypes about their behaviour.

All this does is to help reinforce stereotypes and to fuel people's cognitive biases.

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I hate the Daily Mail but I think it’s important to have some balance. We are expected to accept men in women’s prisons, men competing in women’s sports, and apparently using incorrect pronouns is now a crime ffs. I’m all for showing the darker side of the trans movement, even if it is from the gutter press.

cakeorwine · 13/05/2023 15:10

Sevenbells · 13/05/2023 15:04

cakeorwine If your behaviour is bad enough to be clickbait for the DM then really, you need to reflect. Luna could reflect. Luna could apologise. Luna could not clap in women's faces and shout at them when all they want is a coffee.

Do you think that it's ok to go and interview friends, family etc?

The DM doesn't give a shit about women or transwomen. It just wants to generate click bait.

It doesn't give a shit about what happens to the people they dox.

DrySherry · 13/05/2023 15:10

If you watch the video the manager does seem to behave like a bit of a luna tic. I don't think the customer meant to offend anyone.

ZittingBiting · 13/05/2023 15:10

Sevenbells · 13/05/2023 15:04

cakeorwine If your behaviour is bad enough to be clickbait for the DM then really, you need to reflect. Luna could reflect. Luna could apologise. Luna could not clap in women's faces and shout at them when all they want is a coffee.

Luna could for one second realise they have all the biological advantages of a male body and accept and acknowledge why women may be intimidated by an obviously male bodied persons invading their personal space and shouting at them.

Luna could stop being a self-absorbed twat.

literalviolence · 13/05/2023 15:10

BonnieBobbin · 13/05/2023 14:27

The DailyMail isn't on the gc side here. As you can tell by their ludicrous use of 'she' to the extent it obscures the meaning of sentences.
Customer service staff sometimes break and behave badly and get sacked. That doesn't mean they need an article on their entire life history, full name and where they live. This isn't journalism. It's bullshit.
And yy I am gc. I don't agree with doxxing. And I don't agree with articles dancing round with pronouns and hints at 'they had a different name at school'. The DailyMail is just shit stirring and playing right into the TRAs' hands with this article.

ABH is a little more than 'behaving badly'. The rest of your post may be fine but the "behaved badly' label is not.

cakeorwine · 13/05/2023 15:11

KittyAlfred · 13/05/2023 15:10

I hate the Daily Mail but I think it’s important to have some balance. We are expected to accept men in women’s prisons, men competing in women’s sports, and apparently using incorrect pronouns is now a crime ffs. I’m all for showing the darker side of the trans movement, even if it is from the gutter press.

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All the Daily Mail does is show one side. There is no balance in the Daily Mail. It just feeds their reader's views of trans people.

PhyllisFogg · 13/05/2023 15:12

Do you think that it's ok to go and interview friends, family etc?

Do you think friends and family have the ability to say 'No I don't want to comment'?

Effieswig · 13/05/2023 15:12

fuckthemail · 13/05/2023 15:06

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A 6 year old self reporting study by stonewall?

Firstly that doesn't make all trans people and incredibly vulnerable group. Secondly, that's not down to GC people. Thirdly, alot of these 'trans' children will not be trans within a few years. Because they are not trans. They are children that are struggling with a variety of different issues.

An alarming amount of gay teenagers are being convinced they are trans. Same for autistic girls.

That study doesn't prove anything. You could also say that a large amount of vulnerable teenagers are being groomed into thinking they are trans. And the real issues are being ignored and not dealt with, and it's causing high instances of suicide attempts.

Sevenbells · 13/05/2023 15:12

The point is is that if there were no trans people involved this wouldn't even make the "news"

True. Because there is an ongoing debate about the clash between's womens rights and transwomen's rights, and the fact that the movement/cult encourages abuse towards women who defend their rights, in this case to buy a coffee without being abused and intimidated for "wrong speak."

So yes, when a video like this pops up, of course it's news.

It supports the argument made by many people that male violence is male violence and never OK.

Do you not get that?

UWhatNow · 13/05/2023 15:12

🙄 Here we go again - women falling over themselves to defend an aggressive male misogynist… yes, the journalistic standards are a bit dodgy but do we really have to get on the moral high ground for this particular individual? Just because he wears inch thick make-up and calls himself Luna? What is it about people capitulating to the self-indulgent victimhood of this fantasist bollocks?

limitedperiodonly · 13/05/2023 15:12

Every time I look at that video I focus on the face of the person behind the till.

She is a small person and undoubtedly female. She looks like she would rather be anywhere else than the branch of Starbucks where her big male manager is intimidating a small female who is about 30 years older than her - the non-binary person that is, not Luna the manager. Luna the manager is a man, as we all know.

I wonder if the person behind the till really identifies as non-binary or Luna just decided she was to fit his fantasy.

Many men mould women to the way that suits them, don't they?

Like the girl behind the till, I have also worked with managers who ranged from: pushovers/firm but fair/a bit unreasonable/absolutely fucking batshit. We all have, haven't we?

What gets you through your day with a manager who is absolutely fucking batshit is to go along with anything they say while applying for other jobs. I can imagine saying: "Yes, Luna. I am non binary."

cakeorwine · 13/05/2023 15:14

UWhatNow · 13/05/2023 15:12

🙄 Here we go again - women falling over themselves to defend an aggressive male misogynist… yes, the journalistic standards are a bit dodgy but do we really have to get on the moral high ground for this particular individual? Just because he wears inch thick make-up and calls himself Luna? What is it about people capitulating to the self-indulgent victimhood of this fantasist bollocks?

No defense of what they did here.

But a concern about outing, naming and shaming, trying to interview people.

Brefugee · 13/05/2023 15:14

fuckthemail · 13/05/2023 15:00

This.

Yabu for promoting transphobia

Yabu for sharing anything by the daily fail

Trans people aren't making a scene. Transphobes like loads here sharing fucking daily mail articles are the ones who are making transphobia even worse. These are human beings

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I don't agree that the article should have been written.

But the rest of your post is piffle. Who are screeching, blowing whistles, waving flags, covering their faces and punching old ladies? If you make a scene, the least you can expect is that it hits the internet.

MSM getting involved using names and doxxing? meh. No.

KittyAlfred · 13/05/2023 15:14

AutumnCrow · 13/05/2023 15:07

I remember reading on Twitter the accounts of a number of persons who were thus conflicted deciding to believe that the books were written by Daniel Radcliffe, because alternative realities are possible.

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That’s hilarious! Was Daniel Radcliffe even born when the first book was written? The delusion is astounding.

WallaceinAnderland · 13/05/2023 15:15

People are only interested in this because of the sheer audacity and entitlement shown in the attack. This person thought they had a right, a RIGHT, to assault. This is how far the activism has gone.

BenCoopersSupportWren · 13/05/2023 15:16

Pluvia · 13/05/2023 14:25

Very odd for someone who is GC to not understand how important this is.

We're always being told by politicians and those with influence that both sides are as bad as each other — but we're not. GC people don't go round threatening people, trying to intimidate women who attend rallies, trying to prevent women from getting into buildings in order to hear other women speak and so on. It's good to have more evidence of the reality.

For years GC people have been pointing out that trying to insist that everyone addresses transpeople precisely as they wish to be addressed, even if that requires us to lie, is bonkers. You can't control the rest of the world's response to you and complain of being victimised and threatened with genocide if someone like this woman innocently uses a 'wrong' you don't like — which was actually the right word, because the other colleague was female and therefore traditionally referred to as a lady.

It also very clearly exposes the emotional fragility and lack of regulation that so many of us have encountered in our dealings with trans people. Many of us will have been screamed at in that way but don't have any evidence to show for it. So it's really important people see it.

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You're missing the point. The evidence was already out there. The Mail had already published an article about it, the video was circulating widely, there's a 9 or 10 page thread about it in FWR, it was all over Twitter. What was not needed was this further "oooooh, we've found out their name now!" doxxing article. If they're charged with assault in due course then fair enough, report their name then but this article doesn't add anything that's in the public interest, it just makes this person a target (albeit not to middle-aged GC women).

KittyAlfred · 13/05/2023 15:16

cakeorwine · 13/05/2023 15:11

All the Daily Mail does is show one side. There is no balance in the Daily Mail. It just feeds their reader's views of trans people.

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In this instance the Daily Mail is providing balance to the massive imbalance we’re being expected to live with. The pendulum has swung too far the other way now.

ZittingBiting · 13/05/2023 15:17

Sevenbells · 13/05/2023 15:12

The point is is that if there were no trans people involved this wouldn't even make the "news"

True. Because there is an ongoing debate about the clash between's womens rights and transwomen's rights, and the fact that the movement/cult encourages abuse towards women who defend their rights, in this case to buy a coffee without being abused and intimidated for "wrong speak."

So yes, when a video like this pops up, of course it's news.

It supports the argument made by many people that male violence is male violence and never OK.

Do you not get that?

That's not true.

The DM online is a news outlet with a political leaning but it frequently has 'news' about people being drunk on nights out, and lots of other 'barely making the local news', reality TV stars 'news' etc stuff.

Plus stuff lifted from MN and Reddit.

That's online journalism these days.

Brefugee · 13/05/2023 15:18

in all the discussions about "literal violence" and how vulnerable trans people are - i never ever see a TRA acknowledge that 2 women a week, week in week out, 2 women every single week (at least) are murdered by a partner or ex partner or relative.

Self-reported "statistics" on suicides, drastic and tragic as they are, are not data. 2 women murdered a week is a fact.

KittyAlfred · 13/05/2023 15:20

BenCoopersSupportWren · 13/05/2023 15:16

You're missing the point. The evidence was already out there. The Mail had already published an article about it, the video was circulating widely, there's a 9 or 10 page thread about it in FWR, it was all over Twitter. What was not needed was this further "oooooh, we've found out their name now!" doxxing article. If they're charged with assault in due course then fair enough, report their name then but this article doesn't add anything that's in the public interest, it just makes this person a target (albeit not to middle-aged GC women).

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Well hopefully Luna will learn from this unpleasant experience and behave in a more decent manner in future. I’m in favour of anything that makes life difficult for men who threaten and intimidate woman. The end justifies the means.

cakeorwine · 13/05/2023 15:22

Well hopefully Luna will learn from this unpleasant experience and behave in a more decent manner in future. I’m in favour of anything that makes life difficult for men who threaten and intimidate woman. The end justifies the means

Why not just publish the names of all transwomen out there, their jobs, homes etc....Just so people are aware of who they are?

And people know who to boycott just in case they might have to meet a transwoman?

The end justifies the means, after all?

LightlySearedontheRealityGrill · 13/05/2023 15:24

That Guardian article is much more dangerous and insidious than this Mail one. It's basically idealising suicide for that group of young people, like it's part of the club, it's appalling.

KittyAlfred · 13/05/2023 15:24

cakeorwine · 13/05/2023 15:22

Well hopefully Luna will learn from this unpleasant experience and behave in a more decent manner in future. I’m in favour of anything that makes life difficult for men who threaten and intimidate woman. The end justifies the means

Why not just publish the names of all transwomen out there, their jobs, homes etc....Just so people are aware of who they are?

And people know who to boycott just in case they might have to meet a transwoman?

The end justifies the means, after all?

Only the transwomen who threaten and intimidate women. The rest can be left in peace. But the violent ones bring it all on themselves. I’m surprised you want to protect violent men.