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Birthdaygirltoday33 · 2023-05-13T11:42:23+00:00

Their name is Luna Spain DM link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12077475/Starbucks-manager-sacked-transphobia-rant-activist-terrifies-neighbours.html?ico=related-replace

Swrigh1234 · 13/05/2023 21:36

ilovesooty · 13/05/2023 14:27

Agreed.

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Says someone who doesn’t realize that the guy in question is not a woman. He is a man.

GailBlancheViola · 13/05/2023 23:47

Timesawastin · 13/05/2023 19:54

This. Bigoted thread has been reported by me too. The fact that it's still up confirms a lot of people's poor opinion of MN.

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Ah, it's bigotry to call an abusive violent male being abusive and violent an abusive and violent male now is it. How progressive.

literalviolence · 14/05/2023 00:39

BishyBarnyBee · 13/05/2023 19:39

Not a TRA, but someone who feels there actually is a middle ground between "TWAW"and "all transwomen are a threat to women/a ridiculous parody".

I suspect many people have left the thread because it's pretty pointless, as none of us are going to change each others minds anyway.

But, for what it's worth, I see this very differently to you. I do think it matters what happened before the video, as it starts with the customer being much louder and more aggressive than the employee. The employee sees themself as defending another employee. They are taller than the customer but slightly built. If the person videoing is the man pictured with the customer, he looks much physically stronger than the employee.

The employee is absolutely out of order and needed to be sacked. It is never acceptable to lose your temper with an unreasonable customer. However, the shouting and clapping is pretty ineffectual and I seriously doubt the customer felt in danger for her life.

But obviously we will have to agree to differ as it is so hard for those at either extreme of this debate to allow a shred of nuanced discussion.

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I can't believe you're serious! You think a very chubby man, probably in his late 50's looks stronger than a tall young male in his physical prime? are you serious? You doubt that a small 55 year old woman did not feel in danger from the ravings and use of their body to intimidate from that same young male?

All TW who say they are women are a threat to women IMO through their erosion of women's spaces and lack of respect for their boundaries. All those who do not say that and do not try and use any women's spaces are not a threat IMO. In terms of more overt action I believe that there many TW who do not directly assault women, just like there are many other males who don't assault people. Is that a middle ground you accept? I don't believe that any erosion of women's spaces is any sort of middle ground. It's just granting TRAs wishes

NotTerfNorCis · 14/05/2023 01:05

Mail reported on it because they thought it'd attract readers, no other reason.

On Twitter there have been calls to expel this person from the Open University, which is definitely taking it too far. I know TRAs have form for this kind of life-destroying harassment, but it doesn't mean the GC side should do the same.

marapournumber4 · 14/05/2023 05:31

Effieswig · 13/05/2023 15:12

A 6 year old self reporting study by stonewall?

Firstly that doesn't make all trans people and incredibly vulnerable group. Secondly, that's not down to GC people. Thirdly, alot of these 'trans' children will not be trans within a few years. Because they are not trans. They are children that are struggling with a variety of different issues.

An alarming amount of gay teenagers are being convinced they are trans. Same for autistic girls.

That study doesn't prove anything. You could also say that a large amount of vulnerable teenagers are being groomed into thinking they are trans. And the real issues are being ignored and not dealt with, and it's causing high instances of suicide attempts.

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Yep that sounds like a load of shite. A survey of who?

marapournumber4 · 14/05/2023 05:50

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Wavescrashingonthebeach · 14/05/2023 08:07

@marapournumber4

Trans people are already messing with crime statistics. Any crimes committed should be recorded against their biological sex which was assigned, I mean OBSERVED, at birth. The whole thing is a fucking shit show.

OMG12 · 14/05/2023 08:15

Eminybob · 13/05/2023 12:55

Why are so many of them like this? It doesn't do their cause any good to be seen as shouty violent misogynists, but so many are.

Good on Starbucks for standing up to him. They could have easily taken the woke route so many other companies do.

You mean why are so many shouty misogynists intentvan undermining women, being verbally abusive towards women and making them feel (and actually be) less safe and taking away their achievements? It’s almost like this is the reason they identify this way

StarbucksKaren · 14/05/2023 08:24

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Also the former Starbucks manager uses they/them. Not sure why anyone is using ‘she’ instead of ‘he’ or his preferred pronouns

StarbucksKaren · 14/05/2023 08:32

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 14/05/2023 08:07

@marapournumber4

Trans people are already messing with crime statistics. Any crimes committed should be recorded against their biological sex which was assigned, I mean OBSERVED, at birth. The whole thing is a fucking shit show.

Also, just thinking about crime statistics, how are crimes by non binary trans people recorded?

marapournumber4 · 14/05/2023 08:35

I asked this question but was deleted as someone must have reportedit. Simple question needs a simple answer. Are they going to be a 3rd gender?

Jibo · 14/05/2023 09:38

@marapournumber4 "Non-binary" has no legal status so I would hope that these individuals' crimes are recorded under their legal sex. Some police forces do (wrongly) allow suspects to self-ID as the opposite sex, but there's no box they can tick for non-binary. Unless any police officers can tell us different?

SchoolShenanigans · 14/05/2023 10:29

To be honest, Mrs Thomas sounds like an utter twat. Complaining about it being cashless, and then when the manager stepped in (Luna), she said "I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to this lady" which is just rude. Luna was presumably stepping in as Mrs Thomas was being a stroppy bitch.

Sorry, but this was all clearly a blown up situation, in which Mrs Thomas was antagonistic and Luna was unprofessional.

Brefugee · 14/05/2023 10:43

Timesawastin · 13/05/2023 19:54

This. Bigoted thread has been reported by me too. The fact that it's still up confirms a lot of people's poor opinion of MN.

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rubbish. Only people who can't handle debate think this.
There are PLENTY of posts on this thread saying that the article is totally unnecessary and mean.

But what you mean is that a lot of people don't like that many posters on MN don't blindly follow TWAW and have their own opinion. That isn't transphobia. That is women, who as a sex class have always been oppressed because of it, relating their own opinions. Lots of TRAs don't like that at all.

StarbucksKaren · 14/05/2023 10:43

SchoolShenanigans · 14/05/2023 10:29

To be honest, Mrs Thomas sounds like an utter twat. Complaining about it being cashless, and then when the manager stepped in (Luna), she said "I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to this lady" which is just rude. Luna was presumably stepping in as Mrs Thomas was being a stroppy bitch.

Sorry, but this was all clearly a blown up situation, in which Mrs Thomas was antagonistic and Luna was unprofessional.

Not sure how we can presume why Luna stepped in? All we know at this point is that before the video was filmed by her partner, Vanessa Thomas had moaned about card only but paid by card, and that Luna had accused her of misgendering the colleague behind the counter

RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer · 14/05/2023 11:52

So saying that you don’t like cashless cafes and restaurants makes you a stroppy bitch does it?

none of us have any idea how vanessa said it, i’ve said i don’t like it in the odd restaurant when I’ve come across it…

Effieswig · 14/05/2023 12:22

SchoolShenanigans · 14/05/2023 10:29

To be honest, Mrs Thomas sounds like an utter twat. Complaining about it being cashless, and then when the manager stepped in (Luna), she said "I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to this lady" which is just rude. Luna was presumably stepping in as Mrs Thomas was being a stroppy bitch.

Sorry, but this was all clearly a blown up situation, in which Mrs Thomas was antagonistic and Luna was unprofessional.

What proof do you have of the woman being antagonistic?

Because she complained they don’t take cash? Or because she didn’t need Luna interrupting when she had already told the person serving her that she wasn’t happy.

Customers are allowed to express that they dislike something about the service provided.

Luna wasn’t just unprofessional and pretending that’s all it is really playing down the aggression. Luna was aggressive and threatening. Luna assaulted the man and smashed the glass door on the way out. That’s not just unprofessional. That’s aggressive and Luna acted illegally.

GailBlancheViola · 14/05/2023 12:24

Always got to find a way to blame the woman, Rufus never, ever, ever, blame the violent, abusive male for being violent and abusive. No surprise that VAWG is endemic, posters on here excusing the behaviour of this male are an intrinsic part of the problem.

RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer · 14/05/2023 12:28

Absolutely gail

I don’t know why I’m still surprised by it…its constant

Effieswig · 14/05/2023 12:31

GailBlancheViola · 14/05/2023 12:24

Always got to find a way to blame the woman, Rufus never, ever, ever, blame the violent, abusive male for being violent and abusive. No surprise that VAWG is endemic, posters on here excusing the behaviour of this male are an intrinsic part of the problem.

100%

Luna behaves in a threatening manner towards a woman, assaulting a man and smashing a door is labelled simply ‘unprofessional’. Just poor professional choices.

A woman expressing her unhappiness at the service offered is ‘antagonistic’. Which implies they are, in part, deserving of the behaviour of the other person.

Its wild

RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer · 14/05/2023 12:33

Its also the ‘this is what happened…’ when posters have no fucking clue

generally it appears on this thread that posters who think the manager was out of order are basing it on what they saw, while posters who think that vanessa ‘started it’ are basing it on what they think vanessa did

(and yes before anyone gets over excited I know there will be the odd exception to the rule….hence the use of the word ‘generally’)

Pixiedust1234 · 14/05/2023 12:33

SchoolShenanigans · 14/05/2023 10:29

To be honest, Mrs Thomas sounds like an utter twat. Complaining about it being cashless, and then when the manager stepped in (Luna), she said "I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to this lady" which is just rude. Luna was presumably stepping in as Mrs Thomas was being a stroppy bitch.

Sorry, but this was all clearly a blown up situation, in which Mrs Thomas was antagonistic and Luna was unprofessional.

So far nothing has supported your view of Mrs Thomas. If she had actually been antagonistic I'm sure Starbucks own cameras would have been used to support Luna and they would not have been sacked. It looks like Luna was the stroppy bitch in this case.

AutumnCrow · 14/05/2023 12:35

So the correct behaviour for a woman is what - to freeze, to fawn?

Except if something really bad happens to her, then she'll be blamed for freezing and fawning and not fighting and fleeing, I think that's how it works?

Women - pick a behaviour, any behaviour, it's always wrong and it's always your fault. The end.

GailBlancheViola · 14/05/2023 14:08

Women - pick a behaviour, any behaviour, it's always wrong and it's always your fault. The end.

Nail meet head.

Also women be mute, maintain silence, keep eyes lowered at all times too.

WallaceinAnderland · 14/05/2023 15:28

This is a typical TRA comment on twitter. Says it all really.

'I don’t need to hear from the victim to know that it wasn’t being called “lady” that set them off. It was 100% the old crone’s reaction to being corrected that caused the problem.'