To hate people using the word 'myself' instead of just 'me'?

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There's just no need. It should be 'my friend and I'...shouldn't it? Not 'myself and my friend.'

First world 🌎 problems, I know. 😂

Urgh..it drives me insane. It’s now so common that even foreigners are using it because they hear it so often amongst native speakers.

I agree! So irritating. Equally bad is when some random cold caller rings up and asks 'I can recommend a blah blah blah for yourselves today'.

It annoys me, as it is incorrect. I also say this as a Scottish person. I had to change a work letter template that I need to send out often as part of my job,' please contact myself....' no, just contact me!!!!

With you all the way, OP.

I wish I had your touch. I started a similar thread early this year after a surfeit of misused ‘myselfs’ in my life. Response was minimal and 50% said IWBU.

Two ff's in a word instead of a th is most certainly a grammar error my dear 😂

Honestly, @Hydrangeatea I don't think you know what grammar is. Using f instead of th is pronunciation, not grammar. Here's the wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th-fronting#:~:text=Th%2Dfronting%20is%20the%20pronunciation,bathe%20is%20pronounced%20as%20bave).

Th-fronting is the pronunciation of the English "th" as "f" or "v". ... Th-fronting is a prominent feature of several dialects of English, notably Cockney, Essex dialect, Estuary English, some West Country and Yorkshire dialects, African American Vernacular English, and Liberian English, as well as in many non-native English speakers (e.g. Hong Kong English, though the details differ among those accents).

First result on Google when I searched "Does grammar include pronunciation":

The word grammar also denotes the study of these abstract features or a book presenting these rules. In a restricted sense, the term refers only to the study of sentence and word structure (syntax and morphology), excluding vocabulary and pronunciation.

From Britannica.

It's nothing to do with grammar, and accents aren't wrong, they're just different. Fine not to love them, not fine to criticise.

Only worse than please contact myself is please reach out to myself

ffs 🤣

Phone your local estate agent 😂😂

What gives me high blood pressure is when people say 'you' when they mean 'I'. It's been bugging me all my life 😬

Hard agree OP

People use ‘myself’, and ‘please give the report to John and I’ because they think it sounds formal and polite. The odd thing is that it has become so much more commonplace now. Why has this happened?

I've worked very hard on controlling my inner SPAG nazi, but incorrect use of the reflexive pronoun really sets my teeth on edge.

I've learned to live with people saying/writing "less" when it should be "fewer", and "different to", I can even tolerate the Oxford comma, but this myself/yourself business is something up with which I will not put.

It really isn't.

'Thanks' v 'Fanks' is a pronunciation issue. If someone spells 'thanks' as 'fanks', then it becomes a spelling issue.

It isn't a grammatical error.

No cold caller that rings me gets that far. As soon as I realise they're a cold caller, I say "No thank you" and hang up.

Have you heard of dialect?

In dialect or local slang speech people don't necessarily use standard English grammar.

I think you've made a good point here. If we are used to phrases they don't strike us as wrong (even if they are), and sometimes the correct phrase sounds wrong, even when it's not.

For instance, I was puzzled by comments on Mumsnet where people wrote about their children "getting down from" the table after a meal. It seemed odd to me that so many children climbed on top of the table to eat - why wouldn't you just pull up a chair?! I'm not saying the phrase is incorrect - it just struck me as so strange as my understanding of "getting down" from something indicated that you climbed on top of it first!

I know I make this mistake frequently. I have tried to understand when to use me, myself and I correctly but I cant get my head around it. I am educated to masters level and have a professional qualification but honestly this stumps me (or I/myself!!). Can someone explain it in clear language and not use words like nominative, reflexive etc because that is not clear language :)?

Common examples of where I stuggle are:
when I am giving a list of people that attended a meeting and I am on that list, is it: myself, John, Mary, etc or John, Mary and me/I?
Please contact John and me/ myself and John?
Mary and I are going for coffee, myself and Mary are going for coffee.

I hate when I am speaking and this comes up as I know I always pause to consider which is correct and I am probably getting it wrong.

@Diorama1, as a simple way of explaining it, use myself if you have already in the sencence.

I went to the cinema.
I went by myself.
Mary, John and I went to the cinema. They had popcorn, but I bought myself an ice cream.

when I am giving a list of people that attended a meeting and I am on that list, is it: myself, John, Mary, etc or John, Mary and me/I?

John, Mary and me

Please contact John and me/ myself and John?
Please contact John or me.

Mary and I are going for coffee, myself and Mary are going for coffee.
Mary and I are going for a coffee.

@Diorama1 , sorry, I managed to lose part of that. It should read
@Diorama1, as a simple way of explaining it, use myself if you have already used I in the sencence.

How on earth you can try and justify bad english is now just a regional accent is astonishing!😂

Not as astonishing as someone lecturing people about their bad english in bad english.

I like your style.

Oxford commas have their place.
Less for fewer grates on me.

@Movinghousehelp "me and john" would never be correct

"Please contact John or me" would be fine

To be fair, people are only as good as the people who teach them. I receive emails from some teachers with poor SPAG and have also seen some spelling mistakes in BBC website, newspapers etc.

'Reach out' FFs! 🙄

First email I opened at work today...

'Myself and Bob are not available so can someone...'

Aaaaarrrrrrrgggggghhhhhh!!!! I might send them a link to this thread!