To hate people using the word 'myself' instead of just 'me'?

[blackrabbitwhiterabbit]

There's just no need. It should be 'my friend and I'...shouldn't it? Not 'myself and my friend.'

First world 🌎 problems, I know. 😂

"Me and" is never correct.

Use "me" after the other person, at the end of a sentence.

John and I went to the theatre.
I got tickets to the theatre for John and me.

I agree but I'm shite at English so I should be the last person to judge other people.

In constructions such as 'by/with/from/to (etc) me and John' then it is perfectly OK. You are just using ellipisis to omit the second preposition (e.g. not saying this is good news for me and [for] John'). Of course, saying 'Me and John are going to the zoo tomorrow' is definitely 'wrong' in formal speech or writing, but it is the sort of thing that you often hear in informal or casual spoken or written English. It depends on the situation whether you flag it up somehow as 'wrong'. This is the sort of thing my ESOL students ask about - 'I heard this said by a native speaker in a TV show but I think it's wrong, why did the person say it?'

I keep hearing 'death by a thousand papercuts' I don't hear anything that comes after that.

I hate ‘Pertaining’. A colleague always writes to clients… I am writing to you pertaining to our recent launch.’ Just say ‘about’!

I had a line manager who replaced every usage of you, me and I for myself or yourself. I received an email saying,

"I myself asked youself to complete xxx. Yourself did not let myself know when you had completed it. It is important that you check in with myself..." bla bla.

She also had a filing cabinet with a little sticker on it saying 'filling'.
I took great delight in letting her know what a knob she was when I left.
My grammar isn't the best, but come on ffs. It isn't that hard.

Surely it would be John or me, not me and John?

I think people use it to try to soften the first person and add some fancy respect to the word 'you'. Which are good reasons so it's a pity they're disliked for it.

I think maybe Irish people use myself instead of me (apologies if I've got that wrong and it's just the particular Irish friend I know 😬)

I can't help a bit twatty/snobby to get het up over it tbh. But a lot of pedantry is just superiority signalling, imo.

Good man yourself!

Myself is only ever used as the reflexive (eg I washed myself) or for emphasis (eg “Did you buy that cake from Sainsbury’s?” - “No, I made it myself”. “No, I made it” would also be a perfectly correct answer, but the “myself” reiterates and emphasises that it was I who made it.)

The general “that would for myself” when you mean “for me” sounds awful and makes people appear poorly educated.

You should only use “My friend and I…” when they are the nominative, subject of the verb. For instance, “My friend and I went shopping”.

If my friend and I are the object (accusative) or indirect objects (dative) of the verb, then “me” is the correct form, not “I”. For instance “The waiter gave the bill to me and my friend”, where the bill is the direct object and “to me and my friend” are the indirect objects.

As a pp has said, when it comes to prepositions such as by me, for me, with me (the ablative in a case language), then again, it should be in the form of “me”, not “I”.

In French, I was taught stylistically, they prefer a normal sentence to be arranged subject verb object, then phrases of increasing length - so it’s preferable to say “The waiter gave the bill to me and my friend” to “The waiter gave the bill to my friend and me”, unless for some reason, “me”was put at the end of the sentence for emphasis. I tend to do the same in English, out of habit.

Myself is reflexive as a pp said, although I think, we could say in a speech

”I did it myself” to emphasise I did it personally, rather than delegating it to someone else.

We were always taught, the point of grammar is to make the meaning clear; but we are more forgiving of errors in speech, whereas it is better to use grammar properly in writing.

For me, it's people who can't understand or put in context 'generally' and 'genuinely'.

I generally thought this... 🤯💥

John and I went to the theatre.
I got tickets to the theatre for John and myself.
It was an enjoyable evening for John and me.

In this instance 'myself' at the end of the sentence IS correct.

Take 'John' out the sentence and niether 'I' nor 'me' makes sense. You are talking about doing something for yourself so the use of the reflexive pronoun is correct.

And I absolutely hate it when the reflexive is used incorrectly. I had a colleague who used to do it way back in the early 90s when it was common and I hated it then. I hate it even more now.
'So if yourself sends it to myself, myself can sort the refund out for yourself and make sure yourself receives it by the end of the week. If it doesn't get to yourself by Friday, please let myself know' Yeuk yeuk yeuk.

I know that "Me and Gordon went to the cinema" is wrong but it doesn't have that same nails-on-chalkboard quality that "Myself and Gordon" does. The latter just sounds so officious and jobsworthy.

Ourselves. 😉

I myself ain't too bovvered.

It's wrong. People make mistakes because they don't know it's wrong. Obviously.

People who are genuinely interested in language, rather than wanting to feel superior to others look at mistakes made by native speakers and trace back to where, and how, the mistake happens.

It's about a week since the last thread being unpleasant about people whose English may not be as good as ours. So we were about due for a new one.

As ever, the reasons why people make these mistakes were clearly explained. Poor education, poor English provision in schools for entire decades (70s and 80s), cognitive linguistic learning difficulties, etc etc.

But let's all crack on and take the piss.

Generalising of course but it’s particularly prevalent in people with jobs such as estate agents and car sales. They use ‘yourself’ and ‘myself’ instead of you and me all the time- I assume they think it makes them sound more intelligent when in fact it has the opposite effect on me.

"John and me" can be correct according to traditional English grammar.

"Me and John" is not correct, as you should always put yourself last.

I find that people incapable of correct punctuation have the same effect on me.

Do you really think that people on this thread need you to spell this out for them? It’s more irritating than the grammatical error.

I once read a very funny court report, in the 1980s. A woman had sued someone for slander who had spread it around that she was promiscuous. In court her lawyer said that the other person had said at different times, to different people, that she had multiple affairs, and the alleged effect on her reputation was a cumulative one, even though each event by itself might be considered trivial. The judge, wishing to be helpful, said 'You mean a death by a thousand pricks?', then realised what he had said. The whole court erupted in laughter, including both the plaintiff and the alleged slanderer. A fifteen-minute adjournment was called to allow everyone to 'compose themselves'.