To think that all smoking AND vaping should be illegal in public

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I'm sick of having to breathe in others' vape clouds when out and about. It's worse than fag smoke in some ways- partly because the clouds of vape fumes are so big but also because it's less well policed than smoking, presumably because it's still considered relatively harmless until they find evidence to the contrary. Today I've had to walk through vape clouds on a railway platform (manned station, staff completely couldn't care less), actually had a person sitting behind me on the train vaping and I had to walk through vape clouds of Tesco staff vaping directly outside the public entrance to the shop.
Why is it legal to inflict this poison on others?

AIBU to think that it should be limited to private homes, private vehicles and enclosed public designated smoking sheds only.

Also - how is it legal to vape and drive - surely your visibility is affected?

It is and very concerning for their future health.

I'd ban the lot. We owe it to our children.

Oh well. I can guarantee that my vape does not blow clouds of smoke into anyone's face, and calling for a ban on it all is a bellend move. And I'm going to carry on vaping. So best learn to live with it.

A bell end move calling to ban something that more than likely affects people's health (I'm not a doctor but pretty sure evidence is pointing towards our lungs not being designed to inhale large amounts of sweetie flavoured smoke), causes children to commit crime and massively pollutes the environment. I'm definitely the bell end here. 😂🫠

Oof. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to admit they were an addict. You’re just advertising your lack of self control.

You can vape wherever it is allowed. There won’t be many places left soon.

In 2019 there was an outbreak of respiratory illnesses amongst people who used E-cigarettes. This phenomenon was labeled 'EVALI' which stands for "Electronic cigarette (E-cigarette), or , Product Use-Associated Lung Injury" and is a life-threatening illness of the lungs associated with E-cigarette use. It is believed to be caused by certain chemicals in E-cigarette cartridges, such as vitamin E acetate, but the exact pathophysiological mechanism is yet to be elucidated. Since 2019, the CDC has recorded over 2800 cases in the United States with over 60 deaths. Though many people recover from EVALI, the long-term implications on pulmonary health are unknown. The purpose of this retrospective study was to demonstrate the pulmonary function test (PFT) findings in a group of patients who recovered from a diagnosis of EVALI. We reviewed the cases of 23 adult patients who presented to two major academic hospitals of the Northwell Health System with confirmed EVALI and followed up in our outpatient clinics with PFTs. Most patients had significantly reduced diffusion capacity (DLCO) demonstrating loss of functioning alveolar units. Given that average follow-up was over a month after discharge, this leads us to believe that EVALI can lead to persistent lung damage. However, further follow-up would be necessary to identify the full impact of E-cigarette use on the pulmonary function.

From a 2022 research journal. But yeah, doesn't need banning 🙄

I grew up surrounded by heavy smokers from a young age, almost everyone I knew growing up smoked heavily. I never smoked until I turned 18 and started going to the pub with my friends fairly regularly and that's when I started smoking the odd cigarette here and there after a few drinks. That turned into a 22 year addiction, I did manage to give up once but started again after a death in the family.

I decided to quit again last year by getting a vape, I've not had one single puff of a cigarette since I got my vape and I have no desire to ever smoke again. The vaping is still an addiction yes, but it's a far less dangerous one than smoking or drinking or many other kinds of addiction.

I would dearly love not to have an addictive personality and to not feel that I need a crutch to get me through the stresses of life but sadly its not as simple as "just not doing it".

I don't inflict my terrible evil habit on ANYONE else, I do it in the privacy of my own back garden only so I'm not sure how this makes me a selfish bellend.

So, are they worse than cigarettes?

I'll just vape where I'm not allowed then.

Course you will 😉

Of course not @Blossomtoes but that doesn't mean they aren't dangerous.

Oof. I can’t imagine anyone wanting to admit they were an addict. You’re just advertising your lack of self control.

There's no shame in that. Much better than being a twat 😉

Glad that's understood.

Less dangerous than the alternative though. That’ll do for me.

There was... vitamin E isn't in E liquid here, it's heavily regulated
That's from people buying dodgy liquid and/or adding stuff
If you're going to tip vitamin E oil into a vape then... I mean that's like adding nail polish remover to alcohol and then complaining it's the alcohol that had the effect

E liquid should have
PG/VG
Flavourings
Nicotine (or not)

https://help.electrictobacconist.co.uk/support/solutions/articles/5000838132-does-e-liquid-contain-vitamin-e-acetate-

https://www.salford.gov.uk/your-council/news/news-archive/news-from-march-2023/fresh-warning-issued-over-danger-of-thc-or-cannabis-oil-vapes-which-contain-toxic-chemical/

I will link stuff because no matter how much people hate vaping, it's important for anyone who is thinking about using one to quit smoking to find the correct info and not worry that there is vitamin E in their liquid, or about popcorn lung (again banned ingredient) and be able to make an informed choice to pick a better option than smoking

They smell disgusting! Not sure why vapers think it's ok and people don't mind tasting all those nasty chemicals. Sickly artificial scents.

Non smoker here, can't stand the smell of cigarettes, but vapes don't bother me, some if them smell nice.

I view someone vaping like I do an overweight person running, I presume they are trying to make themselves more healthier, by stopping smoking.

A large number of vapers (certainly most younger ones) have never smoked in their lives. I'd perhaps be a bit more tolerant if it was a transient activity for those weaning themselves off smoking.

I will continue to smoke and if that makes me a bell end I don't care.

Your tolerance is not required.

It's not illegal.

100% agree, I think we should also be following in the steps of New Zealand to eventually phase it out completely!

I hate smoking and vapes. Blech to them both.
My cousin has switched to vaping and whenever she drives us anywhere she vapes and my throat proper hurts the next day. It’s like breathing in cheap air freshener and sticks to your hair.
Can’t believe that people expect to vape in pubs /public and others shouldn’t react to it! It’s like cheap market deodorant smelling shite.
My parents smoked when I was young (my mother still does). Always hated it.

I think it should. As a non smoker I don't get a choice about inhaling their smoke or vape fumes. My local town is so gross with people sat outside the many cafes smoking away or just wandering around smoking and vaping. It makes my clothes stink and it's extremely antisocial with all the fag butts everywhere. Yes I know it's an addiction but it's not mine and I don't want myself and my children to have it wafted in our faces. The worse place is outside the school gates with the parents having a last smoke before pick up time! Bet they smell great for their children!

Well all I can say is some of you must live in some right shitholes

It's the dropping of the cigarette butts that gets me! Who do the selfish scumbags think is going to pick it up for them?!

I’d just like to know where smokers are supposed to smoke.
In public, apparently not at all.
In their own home, apparently gross and disgusting and some people swear it can travel through brick walls! Sorry but that’s absolute bullshit!
In their garden, well no because then it aims itself straight through peoples windows or affects their enjoyment of their garden.
So where?

Threads like this make me feel like being a less considerate smoker because they show me that many people will never be happy unless smoking is 100% banned everywhere.

If I’m in a pub garden that allows smoking, I will smoke. I’ve paid my money to be there, same as the non smokers, they have the option to move indoors, I don’t. If someone’s eating at a table near me then yes, I do either wait or move away. I’m not a total dick. But if they’re just drinking then it’s on them if they don’t like it. The fake loud coughing doesn’t work on me.