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Bank holiday rage

185 replies

Reality · 08/05/2023 08:36

If one more person says to me ‘yeah but you’ll get an extra day off’ about working today I am going to lose my shit.

Family group chat have said it over the weekend (they all have office jobs) and then even my DH has said it this morning!

Yes I’ve worked every day this BH weekend. No that doesn’t mean I’ll get an extra day off for the extra BH. That’s not how it works.

I wasn’t resentful about it but I am starting to be with everyone around me telling me how great it is that we ‘all’ get an extra days holiday. And I think many of them are in for a disappointment when they notice that they haven’t got an extra day either, it’ll just come off their annual leave entitlement.

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Dontcallmescarface · 08/05/2023 14:29

If you're already on the minimum legal number of holiday days, you'll get an extra day by law for the bank holiday,

Not true. There is no legal requirement for employers to give any more than the statutory 28 days.

https://www.davidsonmorris.com/extra-bank-holiday-rules-2023/

Extra Bank Holiday Rules 2023 | DavidsonMorris

The following guide for employers looks at the bank holiday rules for 2023, including the extra bank holiday scheduled across the UK for King Charles’

https://www.davidsonmorris.com/extra-bank-holiday-rules-2023

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 08/05/2023 14:29

Soggydog · 08/05/2023 14:13

Ah apologies I didn't realise that it was different to a normal.bank holiday and that only some firms were giving it. Thanks to the HR bod for explaining it in a way I finally got. And yes I would be gutted too.

It's no different to a normal bank holiday.

By law, a full-time employee is entitled to 28 days of paid annual leave. That may or may not include Bank Holidays - it's totally up to the employer.

Nobody is entitled to paid time off for a bank holiday.

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 08/05/2023 14:31

CateringPanic · 08/05/2023 14:26

I’m getting an extra day off on top of what I usually yet, so is DH…

That will be because your contracts say you must be paid for Bank Holidays - it's nothing to do with the law.

user1497207191 · 08/05/2023 14:45

How about we scrap bank holidays and let workers choose their own days off?

I used to have a job where the office closed for 2 days every bank holiday, the bank holiday itself and the day after (so Monday AND Tuesday), but we had to take the extra day off our already measly holiday entitlement (which was 15 plus bank holidays back then before legal days were increased). So basically, we only had 10 days per year of our own free choice which is pathetic. What was even more pathetic was that the staff seemed happy with that - they liked having long weekends every bank holiday and didn't seem to be bothered about foreign holidays etc.

I just went in anyway and worked the Tuesdays in an otherwise empty office. I put in my timesheets as normal, and took my holiday time off as I wanted. When other staff saw what I did, a few started to do the same. By the time I left, most people worked them and took time off in lieu, in fact it was only the partners and reception staff who never worked them, so the office stayed closed to clients and the public!

BashfulClam · 08/05/2023 15:05

Shinyandnew1 · 08/05/2023 08:39

And I think many of them are in for a disappointment when they notice that they haven’t got an extra day either, it’ll just come off their annual leave entitlement

Not for me-I have got an extra bank holiday. Why haven’t you?

Me too, it’s not coming off my annual leave allowance 🤷🏻‍♀️

Soggydog · 08/05/2023 15:15

@coffeecupsandwaxmelts Did they change the wording at some point as I'm sure it used to be 20 days leave for f/t rather than being paid extra to forgo leave plus 8 days for bank Holidays which could be taken in lieu or was that just the wording where I was at that time? Tbf this is going back over 15 years and was when agencies were forced to pay annual leave lol.

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 08/05/2023 15:19

Soggydog · 08/05/2023 15:15

@coffeecupsandwaxmelts Did they change the wording at some point as I'm sure it used to be 20 days leave for f/t rather than being paid extra to forgo leave plus 8 days for bank Holidays which could be taken in lieu or was that just the wording where I was at that time? Tbf this is going back over 15 years and was when agencies were forced to pay annual leave lol.

I'm not sure if or when it changed, but statutory annual leave is 5.6 weeks a year (28 days). Whether bank holidays are included or not is totally down to the employer. They don't have to pay you for them or treat them differently to any other day.

www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights

gogohmm · 08/05/2023 15:23

Depends on your contract, if f I was working today i would have an extra day off in lieu. I get 25 days plus all bank holidays as my allowance.

Caterina99 · 08/05/2023 18:28

Our staff get 28 days. The only days they have to take off are Christmas Day and New Year’s Day. Other than that, they can work on a bank holiday if they wish or book it off. (Some staff have to cover as we are open weekends and bank holidays etc so we have the same contract for everyone even if their job doesn’t require bank hols)

We chose to give an extra days holiday for the coronation and they had an extra day added to their annual leave. Most took it today. We were not obliged to give the extra day. We chose to.

zuzuzaza · 09/05/2023 17:56

Reality · 08/05/2023 08:51

Some of the replies to this are proving my point.

This is EXACTLY what I’m talking about.

People in jobs with more than statutory allowance, with employers who give them 30 days off plus bank holidays., telling me I will get an extra day. That is not the norm.

Holiday entitlement is 28 days and bank holidays aren’t special or extra. But people keep assuring me they are and the assumption that everyone in the country is getting an extra day off is making my head explode.

To be clear you get 28 days including all your bank holidays hence why you are not getting an extra day like most other people. Is that correct?

Berlinlover · 09/05/2023 17:58

I never get an extra day off when I work a bank holiday, I get paid for working six days instead.

LifesTooShortForYourNonsense · 09/05/2023 18:06

YABU - I’m self employed, I worked a few hours on Monday (from the sofa, tad hungover). But I knew that when I went freelance, as you would do went you took your job.

SofiaSoFar · 09/05/2023 18:30

LifesTooShortForYourNonsense · 09/05/2023 18:06

YABU - I’m self employed, I worked a few hours on Monday (from the sofa, tad hungover). But I knew that when I went freelance, as you would do went you took your job.

FFFS.

(Yes an extra fucking in there)

OP is not complaining about her holiday entitlement, she's complaining about the number of people still insisting she will get an extra day off this year when she won't, and she has told them so.

Madamum18 · 09/05/2023 18:45

Dulra · 08/05/2023 08:37

Yes I’ve worked every day this BH weekend. No that doesn’t mean I’ll get an extra day off for the extra BH. That’s not how it works.
But that is how it should work, not taken from your AL entitlement but added to it. Think it is your employer you should be getting angry with not everyone else

It actually depends on what is in the contract. Some holiday entitlement "includes" bank holidays in some contracts. Some do not!

RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer · 09/05/2023 18:48

SofiaSoFar · 09/05/2023 18:30

FFFS.

(Yes an extra fucking in there)

OP is not complaining about her holiday entitlement, she's complaining about the number of people still insisting she will get an extra day off this year when she won't, and she has told them so.

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Exactly

its not like the OPs posts haven’t been clear enough

JMSA · 09/05/2023 19:34

Wasn't worth it for me. The teens I work with were WILD at school today Sad

Sillyname63 · 09/05/2023 19:48

Employers do NOT have to give employee paid bank holidays as an extra to their A/L entitlement, they can just group it all together. Also if you don't work full time they only have to give you pro rata. I worked part time for the NHS and my Bank holiday entitlement was worked out at a % of my hours.

Sillyname63 · 09/05/2023 19:51

Sorry should have said your A/l entitlement should be increased this year to include the extra bank holiday day ,that may be worth enquiring about.

csigeek · 09/05/2023 20:05

That’s actually is how it works though, you should be given an extra day on your entitlement if you normally have bank holidays included. Or a lieu day. Your employer is breaking the law if they don’t.

wentworthinmate · 09/05/2023 20:06

New job here, if I work a BH I get double time (previously unheard of) but no TOIL (which I always had). Swings n roundabouts.

Seabreeze18 · 10/05/2023 06:32

I get your anger! Dh has to work every bh with no extra pay of extra day off, and we never have a family bh together which is depressing. Then I am self employed and my biggest work day is a Monday so not only do a lose loads of £££ for not working those days, I also have a shed load of admin trying to sort people out and change things. I get so annoyed all the people excited about getting a long weekend!

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 10/05/2023 07:39

csigeek · 09/05/2023 20:05

That’s actually is how it works though, you should be given an extra day on your entitlement if you normally have bank holidays included. Or a lieu day. Your employer is breaking the law if they don’t.

😂

Wrong.

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 10/05/2023 07:43

csigeek · 09/05/2023 20:05

That’s actually is how it works though, you should be given an extra day on your entitlement if you normally have bank holidays included. Or a lieu day. Your employer is breaking the law if they don’t.

But OP doesn't normally have bank holidays included, and even if she did, she'd only get an extra day off if her contract said "plus all bank holidays".

If it just says "plus eight bank holidays" then she wouldn't necessarily get the extra one.

Codlingmoths · 10/05/2023 07:43

I’ve never seen a contract saying holidays are x days including bank holidays, it’s always been 25days PLUS bank hols. So this approach is new to me!

Ineedaholidaynowplease · 10/05/2023 07:58

How many times do people have to explain that OP is correct, and yet people are still saying she us wrong ffs. Read the thread.

It entirely depends on OPS contract but I know many an employer who puts 28 days annual leave in the contract with no mention of bank Holidays for exactly this reason.

If it was written as 20 days plus bank Holidays then yes in years where there is extra they would need to give time off for the extra day.

Another way round it I've seen is 20 days plus 8 bank Holidays and to list the standard 8 BH. Again no need to give time off for the additional as they would be meeting statutory obligation of 5.6 weeks (28 days) annual leave.