You haven’t been able to answer how a grandparent can look after a grandchild and not expend any energy. Plenty of grandparents simply can not or do not want to expend energy in that way. They don’t want to be in sole charge a grandchild.
I haven't answered it because I never said it didn't involve using any energy, so it was a false question. Quite the opposite: I pointed out that anythinf worth doing involves expending some mental or physical energy, even breathing and running your brain and bodily functions. It's a false and ridiculous argument.
Your second sentence is the point. All of these excuses when the reality is these people do not bother with their families because they don't want to. So just own that.
The only person implying work means not enjoyable or not worth doing, is you.
I didn't say that either. Lots of people enjoy their work. That doesn't mean that all leisure activities are also work because they involve some mental or physical energy.
Looking after children is tiring. Especially, if you are elderly.
Often as people get older they find things more difficult. Mentally and physically. They may enjoy an activity but also acknowledge they can’t do it in the way they would like to. My Dad loves walking. He realises he can not do a week full of walks he likes anymore. He needs rest days in between. He enjoys it. But knows he can’t do what he used to. If I had young children, he probably wouldn’t cope that well at looking after a toddler. He would find it exhausting. He may not want to them spend the next day recovering because he has a walk planned later in the week. Does mean he wouldn’t also enjoy looking after one of my children.
Oh dear. Again, you are projecting. I have spoken about the issues with my children's grandparents. I can only give opinions on that.
As I said, I am a lone parent. I also have a disability, as I said, which means I am in chronic pain and often completely housebound. I am far more exhausted than they are. I stated clearly that my parents are in far better physical health than me. They are perfectly able to go for walks, off on holidays, do pilates and tennis and any other number of things. So yes, excuses about how hard it would be for them to spend a couple of hours with their grandchildren even once or twice in their lives are a bit ridiculous. As you admitted in the end, it's simply because they can't be bothered to and are completely wrapped up in themselves and utterly selfish. I can't imagine ever treating family in that way when I was perfectly capable of having a close relationship, treating my grandchildren as an inconvenience and not wishing to help my disabled child, ever, for even a couple of hours to have a break while I sit at a table and play a board game with my grandchildren or take them out for a meal or whatever. You'd have to be extremely self-centred and have no concept of family to think that's ok, especially with children who were struggling with their lack of a father and would have benefitted hugely from having strong family relationships. But there you go.
The only Person saying that if you acknowledge that spending time with family involves work and therefore they don’t like doing it, is you.
Huh? That's my whole point. It's weird for people to think it is "work" to spend time with their family and yes, they should instead simply acknowledge that they don't like doing it, they do not have a proper concept of what a family is and they prefer to be totally selfish and not build relationships with other family members, rather than trying to pretend that the rest of the family is weird for wanting them to actually engage in it.
You still can’t explain how you spend time with family and not expend any mental or physical effort. Doing that sounds absolutely dire. Either you spend time with people without interacting or doing anything with them, or you simply can’t admit you are wrong in your definition of ‘work’ People spend time together by doing things together. So therefore is work.
So fucked up. Of course all things use either mental or physical energy. Why you think this automatically makes it a huge chore or imposition is beyond me. All worthwhile things in life require effort, including family relationships.
Your, made up, definition isn’t relevant because it’s incorrect.
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a sad way to live would be spending time in the vicinity of people but not interacting or doing anything with them at all.
Well, indeed. That's my point.