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AIBU to “cancel” my friend coming to help post birth?

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AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:13

I’m 33 weeks pregnant, likely to give birth via c section around 34-36wk (most likely 35) due to a combo of medical reasons which I won’t get fully into, but rather than a standard c-section, it’ll be an up and down cut (open laparotomy) potentially including a hysterectomy and other procedures.

Recovery is going to be tough and potentially include a substantial hospital stay for me. I hoped to get further along than 35ish weeks but for various reasons including a decline in my health, it won’t be possible.

this is my first and (obviously) likely only child.

I have a friend who lives a substantial distance away (flight needed).
While I do have strong local support, my friend offered to come to stay to help me with recovery and the new baby.

Around 16/17 weeks I was considering it and said I’d let her know. We remained in regular contact, but unfortunately, this clearly sounded like a “yes” to her and it became clear she assumed that’s what I meant. I have repeatedly said “we’ll see, and I’m not sure it’s a good idea” but she seems to want to argue it with me and I’ve not had the strength.

this pregnancy has been brutal, if I’m honest, with over 20 hospital admissions and multiple late nights at A+E plus a fair share of mental health struggles, I should’ve been more direct but I did express my concerns to her. I do admit my fault for not putting my foot down. There are many reasons I’ve turned off of the idea, and I’ll include her rebuttals. example:

friend has a 7yr old child. Obviously, the child would come with her. I don’t necessarily feel comfortable hosting a boisterous child, especially while dealing with a potentially difficult recovery road.

friend says “We’d have our own space, we’ll stay out of your way when you need a breather.” (I have a spare room).

I did also say there may be things related to my recovery that are messy, difficult, uncomfortable and she may not want her DC present to witness it. It’ll also be a nightmare for her DC if I have an extended stay in hospital IMHO.
friend says “If needed, DC can be left with a sitter.” But I know the expense for that would be mine to bear (explained further below).

friend has a low income, meaning I will be left footing the bill for her flights, travel, etc.

She knows I can technically afford it, but I’m trying really hard to save money/not touch savings because I’m taking substantial time off of work (and I’m self employed so mat pay etc is limited).
when I mention cost is an issue, suddenly she offers to pay half or “try to get a credit card” (for various reasons I doubt that would work).

I had a scare a few days ago (light bleeding, monitoring session in hospital), now she’s more insistent than ever, to the point where she’s disregarding that I don’t have time to accommodate her, settle her + her child in, travel several hours each way to do airport pick up, etc.

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself, but I don’t see a way of navigating out of this while retaining our previously very lovely friendship of several years.

aibu to cancel this? And WIBU to ask MN for some advice as to how to go about it? I’ve been running around like a blue arsed fly putting my business into rest mode, so to speak, and making sure everything is ready for the baby. But I need to address this soon. Help?

OP posts:
lemonchiffonpie · 08/05/2023 13:54

I'd imagine she's being persistent as she's a mother and knows you probably wouldn't ask for help if you needed it.

OP didn't ask for help, and this woman is being persistent because she is a shameless user who is hoping to move in and stay, rentfree.

AliceOlive · 08/05/2023 13:55

I am worried she will just show up and you really shouldn’t have to deal with any of this.

Can you ask your mom to intervene now and pre-empt further pressure? Or tell her your Mom is moving in with you immediately?

Beelezebub · 08/05/2023 14:09

AwkwardArmadillo · 08/05/2023 12:52

Friend hasn’t really stopped totally yet. We’ve not had a proper conversation since the phone call yet on Sunday, I had 3 random Amazon parcels arrive (with my name on), amongst other things I’d actually ordered for myself.

Of course I opened them thinking they were mine, only to discover pillows, blankets, water bottles (refillable kind) and a child’s sleeping bag/cozy comforter thing. I reboxed all of it and left it sealed in plastic once I realised they weren’t mine.

I asked “friend” if she had sent them and she said “Oh, I’m so sorry. They were ordered last week, before I’d known you’d changed your mind. Are you sure?” I said I was sure, but on looking at the invoice it seems they were ordered a day after I told her 🫤

I offered to facilitate a return for the items and she hasn’t responded. No idea what she’s doing but I hope she’s not thinking of just turning up, which won’t work, I’m barely home right now and spending a lot of time with family, and I’ve been having gallbladder attacks so mostly have my mother buzzing around anyway (when I am home).

Good grief, don’t ask her about returning those things, just do it! Then tell her you’ve returned them, that she is not to come anywhere near your house ever and then block her. She’s not your friend. She’s a CF looking to move in.

Bunnichick · 08/05/2023 14:10

I have just found this thread and read all of your posts OP. Your friend sounds mad! I see that she may have seen visiting you as some kind of holiday, and has told her 7 y o that this is the case, but what did she really think she'd be getting up to, helping you 24/7? Do you think she'd have just gone off and done her own thing, leaving you alone? It just seems odd.

It is odd she ordered those things after you asked her not to come. If I were you I would be tempted to reply to say that the invoice says they were ordered after and you feel like she is trying to pressure you. Don't apologise again. I'd say you have a lot on and she is adding to it.

Shelefttheweb · 08/05/2023 15:18

Make sure your mum and others know the story so if she pops up while you are in hospital they won’t believe a ‘story’ and let her into your house.

Sugarfree23 · 08/05/2023 15:31

@AwkwardArmadillo I think I'd tell her to arrange uplift of all of it.

She is being frighteningly persistent and trying to bully you. I doubt this is the first time she has used people.

How did you meet her? Has she been a CFer to you before?

Talia99 · 08/05/2023 15:46

Bunnichick · 08/05/2023 14:10

I have just found this thread and read all of your posts OP. Your friend sounds mad! I see that she may have seen visiting you as some kind of holiday, and has told her 7 y o that this is the case, but what did she really think she'd be getting up to, helping you 24/7? Do you think she'd have just gone off and done her own thing, leaving you alone? It just seems odd.

It is odd she ordered those things after you asked her not to come. If I were you I would be tempted to reply to say that the invoice says they were ordered after and you feel like she is trying to pressure you. Don't apologise again. I'd say you have a lot on and she is adding to it.

I don’t think she was looking at it as a holiday, I think she was intending to move in permanently (rent free and living costs paid by the OP of course).

AwkwardArmadillo · 08/05/2023 15:57

Sugarfree23 · 08/05/2023 15:31

@AwkwardArmadillo I think I'd tell her to arrange uplift of all of it.

She is being frighteningly persistent and trying to bully you. I doubt this is the first time she has used people.

How did you meet her? Has she been a CFer to you before?

We’ve known each other for about ten years, I met her while travelling. We were very close and actually travelled together extensively through for a time. Before DS.

when she got pregnant by a shit partner I supported her as much as I could and we visited each other quite regularly, considering the distance, work and of course her being busy with her DS. I did support her in leaving him and returning to her own parents’ home (where she still lives).

There was no CF behaviour but she was always the more outspoken of the two of us while previously remaining respectful of my boundaries without me needing to be bull level direct.

then covid happened, and health issues (for me) happened, and we couldn’t travel or see each other but remained in quite close contact. The offer of help wasn’t out of the norm, it’s the pushiness that is and the radio silence since I’ve said no. That’s very abnormal for us but I guess I have to accept that she’s changed a lot and isn’t the friend I once knew.

my mother and sister (closest support) are fully aware of the situation and do know who friend is, so if she was to try anything strange, they are prepared. I doubt she would but I didn’t think she’d be sending things either 😐

still no reply, and I don’t really want to speak to her right now. I’ve been finding the return addresses and packing stuff up to return it myself. I figure if I include the invoices they’ll refund her automatically? It’s not really my problem, though. I didn’t ask her to send anything and I’m not sure why she did AFTER I’d told her I didn’t need help.

OP posts:
MeridianB · 08/05/2023 16:07

Glad your family are on point here. Keep putting yourself first.

I feel sorry for her son!

Shelefttheweb · 08/05/2023 16:21

Does she have/need a visa to stay in the UK? Could she have you down asa sponsor? That might also explain the push unless to link with you.

Shelefttheweb · 08/05/2023 16:21

Push useless = pushiness

Inkpotlover · 08/05/2023 16:40

Blimey, she's still coming, isn't she! OP, does it say how the Amazon items were paid for? If she's bought them with a credit card then she's done what she threatened and has taken one out – and I bet she's put her flights on it too. I suspect she's banking on you being too nice to turn her away if she does show up.

PinkFootstool · 08/05/2023 17:11

Just do as you've done with the parcels and put "not known at this address" on them. You could message her to say you've returned it all. I'd take pictures of it all packaged up and get any receipts for posting etc.

Sugarfree23 · 08/05/2023 17:17

She can't say not known if they are addressed to her.

What she can do is say she has received items she didn't order, and has no knowledge of them the delivery addresses must have got mixed up or someone is trying to commit some sort of fraud

imnotsadyouresad · 08/05/2023 17:37

AwkwardArmadillo · 08/05/2023 15:57

We’ve known each other for about ten years, I met her while travelling. We were very close and actually travelled together extensively through for a time. Before DS.

when she got pregnant by a shit partner I supported her as much as I could and we visited each other quite regularly, considering the distance, work and of course her being busy with her DS. I did support her in leaving him and returning to her own parents’ home (where she still lives).

There was no CF behaviour but she was always the more outspoken of the two of us while previously remaining respectful of my boundaries without me needing to be bull level direct.

then covid happened, and health issues (for me) happened, and we couldn’t travel or see each other but remained in quite close contact. The offer of help wasn’t out of the norm, it’s the pushiness that is and the radio silence since I’ve said no. That’s very abnormal for us but I guess I have to accept that she’s changed a lot and isn’t the friend I once knew.

my mother and sister (closest support) are fully aware of the situation and do know who friend is, so if she was to try anything strange, they are prepared. I doubt she would but I didn’t think she’d be sending things either 😐

still no reply, and I don’t really want to speak to her right now. I’ve been finding the return addresses and packing stuff up to return it myself. I figure if I include the invoices they’ll refund her automatically? It’s not really my problem, though. I didn’t ask her to send anything and I’m not sure why she did AFTER I’d told her I didn’t need help.

You need to get a return authorised if you want her to receive a refund from Amazon.

I would log into Amazon and use their text chat support with Customer Services to explain that someone known to you is ordering things to your address that you don't want, and is causing you distress. Offer to return them to Amazon and ask for a returns label, and see if they can stop her from ordering any more stuff to your property.

Customer service are really good. Sometimes it takes more than one attempt to explain the issue, but they're great.

If you say someone not known to you is ordering stuff, they'll treat it as a scam and you won't have to return the items. But then your friend won't get her refund, and you sound too kind to take that route.

Backtobed · 08/05/2023 17:42

If you know her address just post them back to her OP.

CoozudBoyuPuak · 08/05/2023 17:54

Inkpotlover · 08/05/2023 16:40

Blimey, she's still coming, isn't she! OP, does it say how the Amazon items were paid for? If she's bought them with a credit card then she's done what she threatened and has taken one out – and I bet she's put her flights on it too. I suspect she's banking on you being too nice to turn her away if she does show up.

She may have taken out a new credit card to pay for all this OP. Possibly in your name and almost certainly at your address, with a feigning of total innocent reasoning "oh I had to use your address because the billing address has to match the delivery address, and I had to say your name as they have no record of me there, but it's totally my debt honestly don't you worry about it" - but when she defaults in a few months it's you they go after.

Bluebells1970 · 08/05/2023 18:32

Yes I'd do a live chat with Amazon and say that someone has had things sent to your address in your name but it's not yours. I wouldn't stress about returning them, let them sort it.

Ffaldiri · 08/05/2023 18:38

Bluebells1970 · 08/05/2023 18:32

Yes I'd do a live chat with Amazon and say that someone has had things sent to your address in your name but it's not yours. I wouldn't stress about returning them, let them sort it.

That's a great idea Bluebells.

LAMPS1 · 08/05/2023 18:56

OP, you say you aren’t sure why she sent that stuff AFTER you explained that she couldn’t come. I say this again….the reason is that she is desperate. Her actions now, show just how desperate she is. She will try every trick in the book to over-rule you because she would be too humiliated to do an about turn and lose face in front of her family. She had used you and your illness as a way out of whatever trouble she was in. She had probably told them she had a new job with accommodation and would soon be gone. She has no option (in her mind) but to take that flight with her little boy to get out of there and to hell with the consequences. And yes, she thought you would soften when all that Amazon stuff turned up. She thinks you will soften when she turns up at your door.
Your only option now is to spell it out very clearly again. In writing this time.

Friend, on xyz date I clearly told you that it was impossible for you to stay here at all. You had ignored all previous concerns I had about your plans so I was forced to be brutally clear. You understood that you were not to come.
Yet one day later, you ordered Amazon items ready for your stay here to be delivered to me at my address.
I don’t believe your version of events. The order date is clear on the Amazon paperwork. You are trying to go against my wishes which will not be successful for you.
All the items you ordered have been returned to Amazon.
I don’t appreciate your attempts to coerce me, especially while I am vulnerable.
I am not going to change my mind about you not staying here.
You have had plenty of messages and discussion from me that your intended stay is inappropriate and unwelcome.
You must make other arrangements for yourself and your son.
I am unable to talk to you and wish for no more contact from you.
One final warning: do not turn up at my door. You will not be allowed entry. Do not use my address again.

BMW6 · 08/05/2023 19:05

I agree you ought to challenge her on this stuff being ordered after you told her. Really really alarming.

Make sure you are not being charged for this gear.

I think I'd end the friendship over it. She's completely overbearing and not acting in your interests, just hers.

Sugarfree23 · 08/05/2023 20:05

Backtobed · 08/05/2023 17:42

If you know her address just post them back to her OP.

She's overseas why should Op pay postage?

Sugarfree23 · 08/05/2023 20:07

@AwkwardArmadillo I meant to reply to you earlier.
I sounds like you're the one who does all the giving in the friendship and she does all the taking.

You have enough going on in your life right now. I think I'd cut her off.

takealettermsjones · 08/05/2023 21:52

I didn’t ask her to send anything and I’m not sure why she did AFTER I’d told her I didn’t need help.

Because she's trying to manipulate you. She thinks that if you think she's already made arrangements/spent money, you'll feel bad about saying no and you'll relent.

I agree with PPs that you need to send a clear, written message saying that her using your address is not acceptable and that she will not be allowed entry if she turns up at your house.

I think she's 100% still planning on coming.

Sugarshoots · 08/05/2023 23:28

please also let neighbours know, if you are not home and she does arrive and attempts to enter your house then whatever story she feeds your neighbours will fall on deaf ears. The more people to support you the less likely she will have the nerve to turn up. She definitely planned to move in full time and hopes you’ll change your mind before she has to find an alternative. Stay strong, she’s no friend.

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