To think boys shouldn’t go in to men’s toilets???

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This is hypothetical I seen another post about someone not letting their 9 year old use mens public bathrooms

what age do other people let their children go in to toilets on their own?

and how do you navigate them using the disabled toilets if not?? I’d be so worried in case someone actually disabled needed them

This reminds me of the time my husband was shouted at by a lady at a campsite who said he shouldn't take my 5 year old dd into mens facilities for shower as it would upset her husband

As parents of boys have said, gradual introduction to coping alone, to boys from say 5, to being totally self sufficient by 8 in changing rooms, earlier for just toilets, sounds reasonable

And no don't use disabled toilet, unless you are

Risk is actually a really good way of looking at it. I would think the risk of a young boy being assaulted in a men's toilet is much greater than the risk of a girl being assaulted in a woman's toilet by a young boy and their mother. (Although the scenario below was that the risk of a young boy being assaulted in the men's toilets was preferable to the risk of a girl being looked at by a boy).
Unisex toilets will most likely be the way for the future, in Britain anyway as people are so weird with toilets which will probably be the worst outcome for everyone 🤷‍♀️

Yes and if no boys were allowed in the female bathrooms then there would be zero risk to girls from boys in female bathrooms. It is you, adult women, who are putting young girls at risk, no matter how small you consider it to be. So there needs to be an alternative place for you to take your boys, where they will be safe, and which won't cause ANY risk or distress to young girls.

If not one person can come up with a solution where females can have female only bathrooms, then there needs to be only individual toilets, with locks on the doors, sinks inside, cameras right outside, and security nearby.

It's absolutely ridiculous that the only way to keep boys safe is to overrule the rights and dignity of others (females).

If your girls are fine with males being in their bathrooms then that's because you've taught them that female spaces mean nothing, and they shouldn't ever expect privacy anywhere.

But there are lots of solutions.
Disabled toilets for one. ( not illegal they are there for everyone )
Some places have family toilets.

The issue however, is that trans women are also allowed in woman's toilets. As is everyone actually. The same with mens toilets. It’s not against any current law.

So the idea on here that young boys upset girls if they are seen in the toilets when biological adult males can use the toilets anyway is a bizarre idea at the moment. ie adults can use them why not children. ( I am not saying I agree with this by the way )
So not until all men and women respect the privacy of their opposite sex will there actually be a law prohibiting the use of single sex spaces as unisex and the provision of more spaces for groups, families and children.

MN on here that are upset by the current use of woman's spaces should vote accordingly ….

@clarabell77 just because I think the signs usually say boys 8 and under welcome in the ladies, he's a few years away though so will probably re-assess later x

I’ve never seen such a sign. I’ll just be using my own judgment.

You refer to women’s spaces, this thread is only about toilets, but nothing has changed, there are no laws stopping men (not trans women, just men) from using ladies toilets. This has all started because trans people have asked for some rights - it has absolutely nothing to do with toilets.

This has all started because trans people have asked for some rights - it has absolutely nothing to do with toilets.

Very disingenuous. They haven't just innocently asked for some rights. They've asked for the sex based rights that are in place to keep women safe. If those rights suddenly include people who were born male, it means that women no longer have sexed based rights and protections.

Womens spaces include toilets. As well as changing rooms and so on.
I used the word spaces to combine all spaces ie toilets aswell, why would anyone create a law just for changing room spaces ( for example. ) but not for toilet spaces. The use of the word was to combine all spaces.

Toilets being part of women’s spaces debate doesn’t make sense though, nothing has changed with regard to accessing toilets - people can basically use any toilet they want to, and this has been the case for years, so why are some people getting worked up about it all of a sudden?

I could understand the debate about women’s refuges and prisons but these services have already said they will risk assess anyone coming in on a case by case basis like they always have, so again, not much change. Many of those getting worked up aren’t ever likely to be in a refuge or prison and have never cared much before about women who are.

people can basically use any toilet they want to, and this has been the case for years, so why are some people getting worked up about it all of a sudden

It hasn't been the norm that males have been using the women's toilets for years. The occasional one did. It was rare. Now there's a huge push from those born male to use women's toilets. That is what women are getting worked up about all of a sudden. All of a sudden coincides with the increase of men wanting to use women's spaces, all of a sudden.

I didn’t say they did, I just said they can.

Unfortunately now they are.

YouCouldHaveKnockedMeDownWithAFeather Sorry, that comment was to Clarabell.

No problem 🤣@Jonei appreciate the apology, so many don’t.

I didn’t say they’ve been using the toilets for years, I said they CAN use the toilets and there has been no change to that. And there’s no “huge push” for it.

There’s a push to make the process for people transitioning a bit easier, it would likely make zero difference to any group of people (in any space) other than trans people.

There has been a huge push for it.

And born males (no matter how they identity) using women's sex based rights, means that women no longer have any sex based rights / provision. That makes a HUGE difference for women.

It's not rocket science to understand this. Being wilfully blind to it in favour of this ideology is problematic. Own it.

But what if you are a dad out with an 8 year old girl?

Then dad waits outside.

Using lazy rhetoric and posting a jumble of anti trans sound bites poorly disguised as concern for women’s rights is also problematic. Yes, we see you.

Well, if you Google articles about children being raped in toilets, there’s usually one every couple of years.

All perpetrators are men, as far as I’m aware. All kids unaccompanied. While it could hypothetically happen in the women’s toilets, a rapist may raise suspicions more quickly going to the ladies.

While you are more likely to win the lottery than have your child sexually assaulted in a public toilet, it isn’t a lottery I’d ever want to buy a ticket for- you?

There's no sound bites from me. But I can see you are of the trans people just want to pee variety.

You (general you) see what you want.
You go after it.
You ignore any common sense and critical thought.
And you repeat ad nauseam.

I certainly see you. (General you) The whole world sees you. Tired old tropes.

What is ridiculous, and quite cringe worthy, is that you don't be able to step back, read your words, and see you either. Maybe you will be able to one day. Or maybe you'll settle permanently for the lies.

While you are more likely to win the lottery than have your child sexually assaulted in a public toilet, it isn’t a lottery I’d ever want to buy a ticket for- you?

When the age cut off for you then?
Because teenagers and adults get raped too.

How many years old until you decide they are safe to use the toilets for their own sex? 10? 16? 30? Never?

Yes we see the ideologists for what they are. Anti women.

To clarify my daughter’s incident

1. she is autistic and was formerly diagnosed at 3, she was 6 when this happened
2. I considered the boy having send after not moving when I said “please can you move back so we can get out”
3. when mum came out of the other cubicle and heard me asking a third time she told him to move although had to do so more than once as he said he wanted to “play with her hair” my daughter at the time had waist length hair his mum told him to wait until she was out of the cubicle
4. when I explained to mum my daughter would rather he did not touch her hair she snapped that I was being precious and should allow him to do what he wanted.

I said no.

This boy was 5ft 4 my daughter was under 4ft extremely shy. He was standing so at best there was a gap of an inch or so between them.

had he been in there waiting I actually wouldn’t have bothered with his presence but to have a situation where my daughter left scared and would rather wet herself than use a public toilet again was not acceptable.

We do use the disabled toilets after this however my daughter’s preference is to not be out long enough to need the toilet and at almost 13 school advise she prefers a known adult nearby if she needs to use the toilet at school though she makes sure not to drink much so she doesn’t go if possible. This has been the source of many discussions at meetings and outside

I am sorry for those whose children, boys or girls, have been assaulted in any way hence suggesting we all need to find a solution that works for everyone