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Too not want Drag Storytime for schools

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Neededanewuserhandle · 27/04/2023 15:32

It's not what I want kids to be subjected to.

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FrippEnos · 28/04/2023 11:41

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or you could just scroll on by.

ArabeIIaScott · 28/04/2023 11:46

There is a 'hide thread' option at the top of every thread.

katyperryseyelid · 28/04/2023 11:51

ArabeIIaScott · 28/04/2023 11:32

A nursery school:

Why does it seeming always have to be about not “conforming” to gender stereotypes?

You would call me a stereotype of a woman. I’m cool with that.

I’ve had an experience in my personal life when my dd was very excited to show a family member the new barbie house she got for her birthday. Long story short, I was accused of all sorts because I have a daughter who loves playing with dolls over playing football. I wasn’t giving her a choice. Only, I was. She chose what she liked.

This person was equally as critical when my ds loved cars, the colour blue and pretending he was a medieval knight.

All my fault, again.

I’d pushed it on him. God forbid, that’s what he chose for himself and just the stuff he liked. It would have been far more acceptable to that person if ds had wanted to dress a a princess instead. She even told me I should buy him dolls and dresses (which would have gone untouched and ignored just like those sort of toys at playgroups and preschool which were available to him, he only liked things with wheels until he moved onto star wars figures).

She could not understand the point that if I had bought him dolls and dresses and insisted he played with them, then I would have been pushing something on to him rather than letting him chose what to play with. He had those options around him everyday at other settings. He didn’t want to play with them.

So it would have been okay to push non gender conforming toys, that would have been preferable to letting a boy just play with the cars and trucks that he enjoyed.

I’ve had three children and I’ve come across that attitude a few times.

Sorry that’s a tangent. But there is nothing wrong with liking what you like and if that is “gender conforming” so what?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 28/04/2023 11:52

This story shows one DQ's questionable judgement, at a minimum. reduxx.info/rest-in-power-drag-queen-story-hour-uk-founder-fundraising-for-convicted-child-sex-offenders-funeral/

Abhannmor · 28/04/2023 11:57

MonsterFiesta · 27/04/2023 18:50

Tbh, you’re probably safer sending children to a drag event than to a church.

I'm not a church goer but was brought up in a Catholic family. I went to Mass every Sunday of course and sometimes Benediction on Sunday evening. Or confession on Saturday.

It was mostly very boring - apart from Benediction when there would be incense wafted around. Very trippy.

I can confirm that I never saw an erect penis or a pair or breasts - either real or inflatable. Sorry to disappoint.

nothingcomestonothing · 28/04/2023 11:57

the absolute shit show of inhumane, anti trans, hysteria was making me sick

Please report any inhumane anti trans hysteria you've come across, on this thread or any other.

Or is this just a version of 'no debate'? Cos frankly I don't have to believe in gender ideology, I'm free not to, and people calling me bigotted, phobic or hysterical does not convince me to reconsider that choice.

Abhannmor · 28/04/2023 12:12

MonsterFiesta · 27/04/2023 23:22

Why would I know? I’ve never been to a Drag Story Hour, nor so I have any plans to.

I stumbled into this thread without much in the way of preconceived ideas but, given the complaints about the outfits worn, I gave it a google and fail to see why (outside of a few limited examples that have been posted) it is indecent or significantly different to pantomime dames (which, in most instances, it doesn’t seem to be - although apparently whatever distinction there is should be somehow obvious?)

Danny La Rue was a legendary drag artist. At his peak of popularity he played a Panto dame in the afternoon and his drag show at night.

He said there was no comparison between the two forms. Panto is for children and the Dames make zero effort to pass as women. That's the whole point. There's no way he would have taken his adult drag act into libraries and schools.

PermanentTemporary · 28/04/2023 12:14

@nothingcomestonothing have you looked at the thread title list on that section recently? It's been a big change to multiple threads quite obviously started by rightwingers in some form, including Conservative party activists in some cases trying to shore up their collapsing vote, or publicists for right wing podcasts. And I haven't hidden that section, I think I'm pretty GC, just one who's going to vote Labour so I guess not single issue.

ArabeIIaScott · 28/04/2023 12:20

Sorry that’s a tangent. But there is nothing wrong with liking what you like and if that is “gender conforming” so what?

Yes, I agree. I'd say the issue is in the 'conforming' - deciding certain colours/toys/hairstyles are 'for' one sex or the other, or forbidden to one sex or another.

nothingcomestonothing · 28/04/2023 12:23

PermanentTemporary · 28/04/2023 12:14

@nothingcomestonothing have you looked at the thread title list on that section recently? It's been a big change to multiple threads quite obviously started by rightwingers in some form, including Conservative party activists in some cases trying to shore up their collapsing vote, or publicists for right wing podcasts. And I haven't hidden that section, I think I'm pretty GC, just one who's going to vote Labour so I guess not single issue.

Screenshots from just now I'm not seeing rampant right wing propaganda?

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MonsterFiesta · 28/04/2023 19:03

Abhannmor · 28/04/2023 12:12

Danny La Rue was a legendary drag artist. At his peak of popularity he played a Panto dame in the afternoon and his drag show at night.

He said there was no comparison between the two forms. Panto is for children and the Dames make zero effort to pass as women. That's the whole point. There's no way he would have taken his adult drag act into libraries and schools.

I don’t understand this.

I’m attempting to attach 2 pics. One is 3 drag queens at a Drag Storytime event, the other is of a panto dame.

To be candid, I’m obviously cherry picking my panto dame example, many (but not all) are less sexualized.

Why are the drag queen’s outfits inappropriate but the panto dame appropriate?

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NotAnotherBathBomb · 28/04/2023 20:23

ArabeIIaScott · 28/04/2023 11:28

There was the girls school that hosted a drag queen for Pride. Not quite DQSH, but along the same lines.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4622222-drag-queen-at-wimbledon-high-school

I see nothing wrong with the way the Drag Queen is dressed, certainly don't see any 'dangly bits'.

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NotAnotherBathBomb · 28/04/2023 20:30

ArabeIIaScott · 28/04/2023 11:32

A nursery school:

Lovely video. Appropriately dressed. He was saying that boys can wear dresses, he wasn't saying that boys can be girls.

Isn't that what MN always says?

This isn't targeted at you OP, I know you are just sharing the video. Just my general comments on it and the uproar.

NotAnotherBathBomb · 28/04/2023 20:35

Abhannmor · 28/04/2023 11:57

I'm not a church goer but was brought up in a Catholic family. I went to Mass every Sunday of course and sometimes Benediction on Sunday evening. Or confession on Saturday.

It was mostly very boring - apart from Benediction when there would be incense wafted around. Very trippy.

I can confirm that I never saw an erect penis or a pair or breasts - either real or inflatable. Sorry to disappoint.

Hundreds of thousands of children have been sexually abused by priests in the Catholic Church, forget seeing a pair of tits.

Thousands of Catholic priests have been accused of sexual abuse. Not remotely comparable.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44209971.amp

Priests pray in front of St Peter's Basilica in St. Peter's Square as cardinals prepare to vote for a new pope on March 9, 2013 in Vatican City, Vatican

Sex abuse and the Catholic Church - BBC News

Everything you need to know about this complex and longstanding global scandal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-44209971.amp

ChristinaXYZ · 01/05/2023 15:29

matchalattewithsoy · 28/04/2023 11:30

For those so dead against, is it impossible for you to imagine that this could also just be, yknow, fine? Because IME it always has been. The drag queens weren't grotesque parodies of women. They were men in fabulous makeup reading perfectly acceptable stories to kids. Kids were happy, parents were happy. No sexual element whatsoever.

Where is your flexibility of thinking?

Many of those defending drag in schools , when you look closely defend a lot of other stuff as well of the 'love has no age' and 'your children are not as innocent as you think' variety.

Like this bloke for instance

https://archive.is/cbCAe

or how about this from Alok Vaid-Menon

"The narrative is that transgender people will come into bathrooms and abuse little girls.

The supposed 'purity' of the victims has remained stagnant.

There are no princesses. Little girls are
also kinky. Your kids aren't as straight and narrow as you think."

— Alok Vaid-Menon

https://twitter.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1368516106520911874

You can be flexible and support that kind of thing if you like but I would rather have common sense and due dilgence rather than praise a fake concept of flexibility in order to look cool or trendy. For God's sake why can't you see what you are enabling with your casual attitude.

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