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Too not want Drag Storytime for schools

215 replies

Neededanewuserhandle · 27/04/2023 15:32

It's not what I want kids to be subjected to.

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FrippEnos · 27/04/2023 18:31

It interesting that on a website where so often we hear "men don't respect women", that we have a group that are happy to support something that disrespects women in our schools and dismiss it as "a bit of fun".

Its all very similar to
"Its just banter"
"its just how boys are"
"boys will be boys" etc.

Somebodiesmother · 27/04/2023 18:32

So is anyone actually going to tell us which schools this is actually happening in?

MonsterFiesta · 27/04/2023 18:33

Flowertight · 27/04/2023 18:21

I live very very close to the Honor Oak pub where the drag acts for kids are. I personally have not been but several close friends of mine have. We are all liberal (woke/ leftist/ whatever) but they were shocked by the level of adult humour and said the kids were confused. They all said they wouldn’t go again. This was WAY before all the furore as the events have been going on ages so not opinions that were influenced.

I assume now the spotlight is on the drag performers at the pub they are ‘taming it down’. Certainly in the latest photos they are dressed very prim and proper. However, with a quick google you can see the very performer, doing his very act at that very pub in the recent past and he does indeed hitch his dress up, do the splits and sing ‘twerk with me’ whilst gyrating in a little girls direction.

Turning point are obviously cunts but it usually ends up being about 20 of them and hundreds of opposers blocking the street. And every month TP get headlines promoting their organisation and cause out of it. If we just ignored them they’d soon get bored.

I don’t think fighting for the right for drag performers to twerk in front of your kids is the right hill to die on.

It’s not a hill I intend to die on.

The boring truth about Drag Storytime (and similar) is that one performer tried it out and it was popular, so other performers started doing it too as an easy way to make some extra money.

To me, it doesn’t have a great deal of value, but has proved a more marketable (largely to parents) subcategory of ‘Storytime’.

Most of the performers previously provided solely ‘adult’ entertainment. Most of them do a good job of throwing together a child-friendly performance, some don’t.

When a performer crosses the line, some sort of action ought to be taken, but it’s not fair to highlight the worst examples of a very popular trend and suggest (as some in this thread have) that, because a small percentage of acts are almost universally decried as inappropriate, parents who take their children to Storytime events, which do not have inappropriate components, are child abusers.

PurplePineapple1 · 27/04/2023 18:34

Tarantullah · 27/04/2023 17:28

I wonder if a female went in to read to children they'd be welcomed with a full face of heavy make up, shiny and tight clothes, hair styled up the nines- I suspect I know the answer. Extra outrage points for women who perhaps have social media pages with similar content to some of these performers.

There would be outrage.

It's only when referring to men performing womanface for children that there are a few devoted handmaidens telling us it's normal. Look the other way. Don't be such an old prude. It's inclusive for men in drag to read to children. Is it? Why? Why do children need to be exposed to adult entertainment?

heathspeedwell · 27/04/2023 18:37

Drag belongs firmly in the past along with black and white minstrel shows.

NotAnotherBathBomb · 27/04/2023 18:41

ConsuelaHammock · 27/04/2023 17:44

It would never happen in the primary schools in my country . The parents and the churches would go nuts.

Not sure having a church go nuts at anything in my country is something I'd be proud of TBH. We are not a theocracy, I don't give AF what their opinions are on anything.

MonsterFiesta · 27/04/2023 18:50

NotAnotherBathBomb · 27/04/2023 18:41

Not sure having a church go nuts at anything in my country is something I'd be proud of TBH. We are not a theocracy, I don't give AF what their opinions are on anything.

Tbh, you’re probably safer sending children to a drag event than to a church.

WhisperingAutistic · 27/04/2023 18:52

Somebodiesmother · 27/04/2023 18:28

It's not happening here.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/teachers-lgbt-brianna-ghey-tate-britain-mary-bousted-b2314800.html?amp

Somebodiesmother · 27/04/2023 19:00

Nowhere in that does it say an event is planned.

nothingcomestonothing · 27/04/2023 19:02

NotAnotherBathBomb · 27/04/2023 17:31

Gold medal for that stretch.

Well how would you do it then? If you wanted to lower parents and children's boundaries, make things which were previously only for adults acceptable for children to view or take part in, how would you achieve that? You wouldn't go 0-100 would you, everyone would see straight away what was happening was clearly wrong. You'd start small, and work in increments. Frog in a pan of water.

Two libraries' official Twitter accounts posted laughing emojis about dildo rainbow monkey's 'performance'. Do I think those institutions or their staff are evil child abusers? No, it's not likely. They're useful idiots, lead in stages to accept more and more in the name of diversity, inclusion, insert buzzword of your choice, until they are laughing at a man with a dildo attached to his crotch twerking at children. How did we get here, and who does it benefit? Because I really don't think it's benefitting children.

WhisperingAutistic · 27/04/2023 19:08

Somebodiesmother · 27/04/2023 19:00

Nowhere in that does it say an event is planned.

Nowhere in the original post does it say there are any planned yet. She saying she doesn't want any, is she not?

Epidoodah · 27/04/2023 19:08

We had drag story time at my DCs nursery summer party one year. Was brilliant. Their outfit was very elaborate which the kids loved, they read them a lovely story and were also very funny and great with the kids. Think panto dame. Went down a treat with everyone. It was just good fun. Nothing more to think about really.

Somebodiesmother · 27/04/2023 19:12

WhisperingAutistic · 27/04/2023 19:08

Nowhere in the original post does it say there are any planned yet. She saying she doesn't want any, is she not?

Well we can all have pointless conversations. I for one don't think marmite flavoured trifle should be a thing.

Maray1967 · 27/04/2023 19:12

ArabeIIaScott · 27/04/2023 16:12

100% this.

Men in fake breasts and clownish make up is not 'diversity'.

Agreed.

NotAnotherBathBomb · 27/04/2023 19:20

WhisperingAutistic · 27/04/2023 19:08

Nowhere in the original post does it say there are any planned yet. She saying she doesn't want any, is she not?

Right, this is the level of reasoning we’re at now. Well I need to make it clear, I don’t want the Earth to be invaded by a swarm of fluffle piggly-winks.

tommika · 27/04/2023 19:25

SinnerBoy · 27/04/2023 18:13

tommika · Today 18:09

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Neededanewuserhandle · Today 15:51

I have no time for Turning Point UK, but do we really need drag storytime?

https://twitter.com/vickyfoxcroft/status/1651193287410171907

Leads to:

https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/1651202848481239041

As has been said that is not a man exposing dangly bits to children, is not drag story time, is not in a school

It is a drag act in a pub, with a man, by the law of averages will be a gay man, dressed as a gharish characture of a woman hitching up a skirt and doing the splits in his big pants. There are children present - brought by adults
A weird show that would be found as ridiculous and/or confusing to a child, but not explicit

It is Turning point who are claiming that their protests are about Drag queen story hour, but at a pub that has hosted a drag show in the past

Turning Point Drag Queen Story Hour Protest

Turning Point UK Rallied Outside The Honor Oak Pub To Oppose Their Age Inapropriate Drag Queen Story Hour.

https://youtu.be/dBnmXakb328

WhisperingAutistic · 27/04/2023 19:26

NotAnotherBathBomb · 27/04/2023 19:20

Right, this is the level of reasoning we’re at now. Well I need to make it clear, I don’t want the Earth to be invaded by a swarm of fluffle piggly-winks.

Don't be pathetic. The teaching union voting positively for a motion that included the introduction of drag queen story time in schools. The OP hasn't made a post out of thin air, it's on the back of that vote.

www.thepinknews.com/2023/04/06/national-education-union-drag-queen-story-hour-lgbtq/

'A teaching union has come out in support of a holding drag queen story in schools, to help foster a more inclusive atmosphere.'

ChristinaXYZ · 27/04/2023 19:33

msisfine · 27/04/2023 15:54

I don't in any way see a problem with it. Would you take your kid to a pantomime? They're not doing the same drag show they would for adults, they're wearing a costume and reading a kid's book. What it is they're being 'subjected to' is a story.

Would it be ok for someone dressed like one of the Black and White Minstrels to read a story? Would you say the children were just being subjected to a story then? If you can see the racism, why can't you see the misogyny?

Next, what other sexually explicit acts from the world of adult entertainment do we take into schools? Would you be happy with pole dancer story time or lap dancer story time or burlesque story time?

Also, why is only the men's acts from the night time economy that are making it into schools? Bit odd don't you think?

What about the fact that a number of the better known drag queen story readers have been spotted on social media or elewhere with slogans like 'love has no age'? Is that ok?

See https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/17/drag-queen-teaches-pupils-conversion-therapy-spectacular-safeguarding/ (it has been archived if you look on the usual sites)

Ask yourself with any adult in a school - why do they want to be here, why so they want to work with children, why do they want an audience of children? People see drag queen and for soem reason the usual safe-guarding questions that should be asked of all adults/groups/organisation go out of the window.

Drag queen who posted about 'orgies' invited to school in 'spectacular safeguarding fail'

Aida H Dee, the persona behind Drag Queen Story Hour UK, spoke to 11-year-olds at Lewis School Pengam in Wales

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/17/drag-queen-teaches-pupils-conversion-therapy-spectacular-safeguarding

whereaw · 27/04/2023 19:33

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EscapeRoomToTheSun · 27/04/2023 19:35

*To. Perhaps when you are literate you will be qualified to comment.

ChristinaXYZ · 27/04/2023 19:37

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whereaw · 27/04/2023 19:37

@EscapeRoomToTheSun always great attacking how someone says something rather than what they are actually saying... true sign of intelligence right there Hmm

LaMaG · 27/04/2023 19:42

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100% agree. These men are pathetic - Garish make up, fake boobs and ridiculous clothes. Ha ha women are soo funny. Let's make some money from mocking them.

ChristinaXYZ · 27/04/2023 19:44

ElbowsToes · 27/04/2023 16:33

Panto is not all focused one dude and the stories aren't quazi religious indoctrination of Foucault and his queer theory, they are like Catheticism books to explain Crenshaw, Marx and Foucault ideologies.

And the children are with their parents and they are in the dark. So the children are not part of the performance on the whole - they reactions are not visible to each other or to the performers. In a school the older the children are the more the pressure is to react in a certain way - to say you are ok with something even if it makes you feel uncomfortable, to laugh even if you don't think it is funny - you're under peer pressure. There is none of that in a theatre. The costumes are usually rather mumsy rather than sexual - more female impersonator (Hinge and Bracket) rather than drag. And as others have said there are many actors on the stage - the dame is just one of many. The whole atmosphere is different.

TheGoogleMum · 27/04/2023 19:47

I'd much prefer age appropriate story time (costumes ok)