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To think this is gender stereotyping?

225 replies

angiec89 · 27/04/2023 08:28

Was talking with a friend a few days ago and she mentioned she was looking for a babysitter for her two kids this Saturday. I suggested DS as he's 16 and local (he could walk there and back), and she knows him well. He's done babysitting before for other friends and neighbours.
My friend looked surprised and essentially said thanks but no thanks.
I thought that seemed reasonable enough as her kids are quite young so maybe she wanted someone older. But no, instead she asked her neighbour's 14 year old daughter instead!
AIBU to think this is because my son's a male?

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herewegoroundthebastardbush · 27/04/2023 11:25

onefinemess · 27/04/2023 11:06

@YouAreNotBatman

With that attitude, YOU are part of the problem.

As I said, labelling someone a predator and rapist just because they exist is utterly toxic.

If you say "you never know which ones are" then you must be including your own family members and friends.

To say otherwise would go against your own logic.

So, do you allow any males you know to have any contact with you?

I mean, "you never know which ones are" right?

See how quickly that belief falls down?

Well of course you have to be vigilant of your own relatives. The majority of CSA takes place within the family. There is a weighing up of risk vs benefit which needs to be taken into account. I wanted to have a partnership and children, I believed my partner was a good person, so I took the plunge and had children even though it is a statistical fact that domestic abuse often begins during pregnancy. That was my risk to take.

With my kids, I am extra vigilant because they are vulnerable and utterly dependent on me to make good choices for them. It's necessary for their family life to have close relationships with their father, grandfather, other male relatives and family friends. But I still remain vigilant because that is my job, and I would not ignore signs or red flags if I saw them just because they are family/friends.

In this instance, there is no need for the mum to take any risk whatsoever (beyond the inherent risk of leaving your kids on someone else's care). She has a safer option for her kids. Why shouldn't she take that safer option?

NotAnotherBathBomb · 27/04/2023 11:26

OhMerde · 27/04/2023 11:20

Whoops.....so men as a whole have to be viewed with caution.

Yes? Where have you been living 😂

Hellsmovie · 27/04/2023 11:26

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It's not misogynistic to point out nearly all false allegations come from woman.

Surly you see the double standard there

NoFall · 27/04/2023 11:27

Hellsmovie · 27/04/2023 11:22

I agree .the same way I would view any potential new female I dated as having potential to make false allegations

That’s your right. I wouldn’t take offence. Neither would my daughter. Do what you feel is best to protect yourself. Good people aren’t offended by this.

It doesn’t take away from the fact that most sex offences are committed by men and that males are more likely to be a danger to women and children. And men of course.

Hellsmovie · 27/04/2023 11:27

NotAnotherBathBomb · 27/04/2023 11:26

Yes? Where have you been living 😂

You've missed out the first part of her post . It makes sense when its put together

MUMTO2DS1DD · 27/04/2023 11:28

How does anyone trust their children’s fathers around their children, if they’re all potential sex abusers, let alone bathing and changing their baby son/daughter?

NotAnotherBathBomb · 27/04/2023 11:29

Hellsmovie · 27/04/2023 11:22

I agree .the same way I would view any potential new female I dated as having potential to make false allegations

Ah yes, a very comparable number with 8% of allegations that are false compared to the 99% of sexual offences that are committed by men 😂

BallandBoe · 27/04/2023 11:29

NoFall · 27/04/2023 10:38

You’re free to think it’s madness. She’s free to do what she thinks is best for her children.

You may know your son wouldn’t harm her children, she doesn’t. She hasn’t lived with him or brought him up. She doesn’t know who he really is as a person.

I have a son and wouldn’t take offence. Neither would he.

Then you are part of the problem.

BallandBoe · 27/04/2023 11:30

Absolute madness.

People need to stop assuming that all men and predators.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 27/04/2023 11:30

Hellsmovie · 27/04/2023 11:22

I agree .the same way I would view any potential new female I dated as having potential to make false allegations

You'll be unlikely to find a great hue and cry from women over you deciding to limit your dating pool. Honestly.

Tulip2478 · 27/04/2023 11:32

onefinemess · 27/04/2023 10:30

Wow!

No wonder teenage boys are suffering with mental health issues.

Imagine being branded a child abuser and rapist just for existing!

Do you all view your fathers, brothers and husbands the same way?

Christ, that's just toxic.

What changes just because the boy isn't related to the children?

Can a teenage boy have any contact with his own siblings or is that now too dangerous?

What if you had two teenage boys, should they be kept apart incase they abuse each other?

Perhaps you'd all be happy to send your teenage sons to some sort of internment camp, to keep the rest of the children safe from their perverted desires.

Are you all really treating your sons like that?

What do you say to them?

At what point do you label them sexual predators?

Possibly the most disturbing thing I have read on here.

Or is it just other people's sons who are rapists, but not yours?

Absolutely spot on. I despair reading this thread. There are also other types of abuse and statiscally females abuse children more than males (probably because they are morr likely to be the primary caregivers but my point still stands that they're not any safer).

Hellsmovie · 27/04/2023 11:33

NotAnotherBathBomb · 27/04/2023 11:29

Ah yes, a very comparable number with 8% of allegations that are false compared to the 99% of sexual offences that are committed by men 😂

You've twisted it. I would say woman make up 98%-100% of that 8% that make false allegations. It's not all woman ,its not even alot of woman.but it is nearly always woman that make those false allegations

Irequireausername · 27/04/2023 11:33

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 27/04/2023 11:30

You'll be unlikely to find a great hue and cry from women over you deciding to limit your dating pool. Honestly.

😂😂 yes it's hard to be distraught

Hellsmovie · 27/04/2023 11:34

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 27/04/2023 11:30

You'll be unlikely to find a great hue and cry from women over you deciding to limit your dating pool. Honestly.

Luckily I'm extremely happy with my wife . And shes extremely happy with me

MegaManic · 27/04/2023 11:37

Yes it is. My DH is SAHD and has offered to look after kids (friends of my kids) or bring them to clubs etc a few time and the parents (not super friendly but would talk to them most days at school) always say No but in many cases I know they asked another mum. I think people are distrustful of males (not in their family) with kids.

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 27/04/2023 11:37

MUMTO2DS1DD · 27/04/2023 11:28

How does anyone trust their children’s fathers around their children, if they’re all potential sex abusers, let alone bathing and changing their baby son/daughter?

Acceptable level of risk based on risk assessment. But you'd have to be bloody stupid to refuse to entertain the possibility that your partner/brother/dad could be a risk to your kids. You have to be prepared to entertain it, to safeguard your kids. Not 'watching them like a hawk' anxious; but open to receiving evidence of the unthinkable.

Speaking as someone who witnessed the exposure of paternal sexual abuse in my wider family. I knew him well and suspected NOTHING. I do not ever intend to be so clueless and trusting ever again, especially not in relation to my own precious girls.

MUMTO2DS1DD · 27/04/2023 11:38

Why is everyone marrying and having babies with potential sex abusers then?
Then allowing the fathers to be alone with their children?
Or do you watch every interaction and nappy change and do all the childcare?
Or does it only apply to everyone else’s sons and husbands?

LovelyLovelyWarmCoffee · 27/04/2023 11:38

onefinemess · 27/04/2023 10:30

Wow!

No wonder teenage boys are suffering with mental health issues.

Imagine being branded a child abuser and rapist just for existing!

Do you all view your fathers, brothers and husbands the same way?

Christ, that's just toxic.

What changes just because the boy isn't related to the children?

Can a teenage boy have any contact with his own siblings or is that now too dangerous?

What if you had two teenage boys, should they be kept apart incase they abuse each other?

Perhaps you'd all be happy to send your teenage sons to some sort of internment camp, to keep the rest of the children safe from their perverted desires.

Are you all really treating your sons like that?

What do you say to them?

At what point do you label them sexual predators?

Possibly the most disturbing thing I have read on here.

Or is it just other people's sons who are rapists, but not yours?

But then « the vast majority of sexual assaults are done by males » . These males are also someone’s son / possibly husband and father.

Are we supposed to ignore the statistics just to make sure boys/mens don’t feel treated like predators?
In the balance I’ll always choose the less risky option for my DC (female sitter in this case).

NoFall · 27/04/2023 11:38

BallandBoe · 27/04/2023 11:29

Then you are part of the problem.

Nope. I’m someone who minimises the chances of my children being abused. That’s really only a problem to abusers who want access to my children I suppose.

Paq · 27/04/2023 11:39

Gender stereotyping is saying nonsense like girls hair is long, boys hair is short.

Choosing a female babysitter over a male babysitter is a risk based decision informed by crime stats.

DidyouNO · 27/04/2023 11:39

It's not merely gender stereotyping though is it. It's based on facts. I'm sorry to say but over 90% of sexual assaults are from males towards females so dismissing it as 'gender stereotyping' is seriously underestimating the risks that exist in our society. I have three boys and a girl and sadly have never offered my boys to babysit my friends daughters because I wouldn't leave a friends boy in charge of my daughter. Sad but true.

MUMTO2DS1DD · 27/04/2023 11:40

herewegoroundthebastardbush · 27/04/2023 11:37

Acceptable level of risk based on risk assessment. But you'd have to be bloody stupid to refuse to entertain the possibility that your partner/brother/dad could be a risk to your kids. You have to be prepared to entertain it, to safeguard your kids. Not 'watching them like a hawk' anxious; but open to receiving evidence of the unthinkable.

Speaking as someone who witnessed the exposure of paternal sexual abuse in my wider family. I knew him well and suspected NOTHING. I do not ever intend to be so clueless and trusting ever again, especially not in relation to my own precious girls.

So I was supposed to grow up thinking my father could possibly abuse me and my sister sexually and I was stupid if I didn’t think that? 🤔

Tekkentime · 27/04/2023 11:41

LovelyLovelyWarmCoffee · 27/04/2023 11:38

But then « the vast majority of sexual assaults are done by males » . These males are also someone’s son / possibly husband and father.

Are we supposed to ignore the statistics just to make sure boys/mens don’t feel treated like predators?
In the balance I’ll always choose the less risky option for my DC (female sitter in this case).

Apparently being molested is a risk you force your children to take because there's nothing worse than stereotyping.

MakesMeFeelSad · 27/04/2023 11:43

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herewegoroundthebastardbush · 27/04/2023 11:44

MUMTO2DS1DD · 27/04/2023 11:40

So I was supposed to grow up thinking my father could possibly abuse me and my sister sexually and I was stupid if I didn’t think that? 🤔

No, you should have grown up blissfully ignorant of such thoughts. You were a child, you bore no responsibility for safeguarding yourself. Your mother, however, should have been willing to see evidence you were being abused, if you were, and to act on any suspicion, no matter how terrible.

Do you have any idea how many abused children, when they find the courage to speak up, are told they are making it up and dismissed because people won't believe it of their son/husband/brother/father?

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