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Would you say this is standard for work day ?

189 replies

TinaTeaspoons · 26/04/2023 12:20

Asking someone twice a week to-
Get up at 5.45AM
Walk for 40 minutes and then a 20 minute bus journey to workplace.
Work for 9 hours on feet all day but have an hours lunch.
40 minutes walk home and 20 minute bus journey back.

Person has autoimmune diseases also but they are well controlled. Aibu to say this isn't too much?

OP posts:
UnfortunatePoster · 26/04/2023 13:34

My DH does a comparable day - he does a 12 hour shift nursing, so he’s on his feet most of the day but not all. Add your DH’s commute and lunch and it’s not far off. If mine does 2 days in a row he’s absolutely knackered the day after, and he has no health issues. I do think it sounds a bit much for anyone with health issues, even for just 2 days.

Keepthetowel · 26/04/2023 13:35

That regime could quite easily spark a flare up. I find auto immune diseases get worse rapidly with tiring days, it’s best to not get tired at all.

EmmaEmerald · 26/04/2023 13:36

TinaTeaspoons · 26/04/2023 12:31

It's DH. Said it would be too much for him but I think it would be ok as just 2 days that he would need to do this.

But that two days tips into knock-on effects, especially if you have health issues to start with.

Nordicrain · 26/04/2023 13:37

Well I think asking anyone to do soemthing they genuinely are struggling with isn't really fair. That is an early start, a long walk and a long day. Even fit and healthy people would feel exhausted. There must be alternatives. Is it really this or nothing?

GimmeSleep · 26/04/2023 13:38

Can I also add, that my experience of most people with chronic illnesses is that we say we're fine; even when we're not. So if we then say something is too much - it fucking well is too much and it was too much way before we mentioned it.

I'm glad my DP has more empathy than you OP.

mrsm43s · 26/04/2023 13:38

TinaTeaspoons · 26/04/2023 12:31

It's DH. Said it would be too much for him but I think it would be ok as just 2 days that he would need to do this.

If he is saying that it's too much for him, then it's too much for him. He's the one with the conditions, he knows best what he can manage.

TBH I have autoimmune conditions, and although I work a desk based job full time, I'd absolutely struggle to do those really long days on my feet all day with walking either side and a really early wake up too. I'd find 4 half days much easier, or 5 days in a desk based job rather than on my feet for 2 long days.

But, it doesn't really matter what I think or what I could do. It's what your DH thinks he can manage that matters, and he doesn't think he can manage this. So that's the end of the matter.

GoodChat · 26/04/2023 13:40

TinaTeaspoons · 26/04/2023 13:02

I don't post constantly about my DH and his conditions.

Yes, RA and UC but he gets around a lot easier now. He also doesn't need the toilet constantly unless of course he is flaring up. Also under 40.
In terms of activity outside of work, he gets tired easily but paces himself.
I do think these 2 days are do able but obviously I can't make him do it.

He's got rheumatoid arthritis and you want him to walk for 80 minutes on top of being on his feet all day? Come on.

GoodChat · 26/04/2023 13:41

GimmeSleep · 26/04/2023 13:38

Can I also add, that my experience of most people with chronic illnesses is that we say we're fine; even when we're not. So if we then say something is too much - it fucking well is too much and it was too much way before we mentioned it.

I'm glad my DP has more empathy than you OP.

I think this is a really important point OP. It's usual to say you're fine when you're not. If he's admitting he's not, he's really not.

Taenia · 26/04/2023 13:43

I have RA. It's well managed but there is no way I could walk that long.. then work those hours on my feet for even one day...

Isthatarealname · 26/04/2023 13:43

All depends on the person doesn't it. I'm a fit and healthy individual, I could do it but I wouldn't, unless they were offering a lot of money, because I know I can do something that doesn't require all of that effort.

If I was unemployed and that was my best offer, then of course I would take it.

Namechangethisonetime · 26/04/2023 13:45

TinaTeaspoons · 26/04/2023 12:31

It's DH. Said it would be too much for him but I think it would be ok as just 2 days that he would need to do this.

Realistically, he needs to drive to this shift. Getting up at 5:45 to walk 40mins then bus 20mins is a bit much imo.
It’s the lack of driving that is causing the issue here

booktokbear · 26/04/2023 13:45

I have IBD, the fatigue is horrendous. If I did this on one day I'd would no lie need to have 5 days rest.

Depends on how the individual is though of course.

Londontown12 · 26/04/2023 13:48

Personally I have well controlled arthritis but there no way I could be walking and be on feet for 9 hours a day ! And he has UC I think your Dh knows his limits better than anyone and RA is hard in the mornings x

Sammyandtheboocas · 26/04/2023 13:49

It depends on the individual doesn't it?

It sounds like a mid range work commute to meet, and the work place certainly don't need to make any allowances as the commute and illness are not their responsibility, although they may be prepared to make some adjustments from a legal point of view.

nokidshere · 26/04/2023 13:50

I don't post constantly about my DH and his conditions.

Yes, RA and UC but he gets around a lot easier now. He also doesn't need the toilet constantly unless of course he is flaring up. Also under 40.
In terms of activity outside of work, he gets tired easily but paces himself.
I do think these 2 days are do able but obviously I can't make him do it.

Yes you are being very unreasonable. RA is debilitating even on meds and one day of overdoing stuff can leave you wiped out for a week. RA tiredness isn't just being tired, it's chronic fatigue, complete exhaustion and very hard to describe to others exactly how it feels. He might well be able to do those two days (although 40mins walking twice a day seems unlikely never mind the rest) but he won't be able to do anything at all for the rest of the week.

It sounds to me like you need a better understanding of RA and have more empathy.

frecklemcspeckles · 26/04/2023 13:51

God this would be torture for me with RA and Crohn's, even if well controlled the fatigue is still there and that level of walking plus being on your feet all day long will definitely flare the RA if not the UC also.
I'm surprised that living with someone with such significant health conditions you don't have more of an understanding or empathy around this.

BarbedButterfly · 26/04/2023 13:53

I have an auto immune disease and this would be a hard no. It is the fatigue. It would lead me into a flare really quickly

BarbedButterfly · 26/04/2023 13:53

Just saw it is RA, same as me. No.

SittingOnTheChair · 26/04/2023 13:55

Contact Assess to work.

They will pay for cabs to keep him in work.

SittingOnTheChair · 26/04/2023 13:55

Sorry Access to Work.

GimmeSleep · 26/04/2023 13:57

Sammyandtheboocas · 26/04/2023 13:49

It depends on the individual doesn't it?

It sounds like a mid range work commute to meet, and the work place certainly don't need to make any allowances as the commute and illness are not their responsibility, although they may be prepared to make some adjustments from a legal point of view.

Allowing time off for medical appointments or treatment. Flexible working arrangements, such as shorter or different hours. Unlimited toilet breaks. Moving your workstation close to a toilet

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  • If your employer knows about your Crohn’s or Colitis, they can make changes to your workplace to help you do your job. These are called reasonable adjustments.
  • You may find that your condition still makes it difficult to work, even with changes in place. Remember that you have options and keep a positive mindset, looking at what you are good at and enjoy doing.
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EmmaEmerald · 26/04/2023 14:00

OP am I missing something

I am puzzled how you can not understand this when it's your DH with a health condition.

Vermin · 26/04/2023 14:02

Wouldn’t the DWP access to work scheme cover taxi transport to / from work?

poppysockies · 26/04/2023 14:03

Does dh work now? What does an average day look like? Can he exercise? Does he regularly walk for more than an hour a day? Has he been offered this job and passed an interview process?
What area is he qualified in, or have experience in? Perhaps we could suggest other employment?
Do you work or drive?

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