Made in Chelsea blokes - twins via surrogate

[HermioneKipper]

More “celebs” commissioning a woman’s body to buy a baby.

When is this going to be made illegal 😡

And twins again. So many of them have twins. I think I get a bit triggered by this especially as I have twins and know how dangerous twin pregnancy can be for both mother and babies. And what it does to a woman’s body. No one could consent to this.

Had to switch off Giovanna Fletcher and her simpering podcast when they started talking about “their” miscarriages. Horrific amounts of bleeding, pain and horrendous wrenching emotional pain for you was it mates? No, didn’t think so.

@HermioneKipper

Because you donate your kidney, you donate sperm and you donate embryos.

You don't sell them.

Surrogacy is offered for those that need it, expenses are paid to help the woman carrying the baby. Majority of the time, the baby is not biological to the surrogate.

So what is your issue.....?

Your friends sound delightful

*genetically

As a twin mum I 100% agree with you, OP. Nobody can understand the toll it takes on your body.

Twins only happen with IVF if two fertilised eggs are implanted. It’s intentional and planned to inflict a high risk pregnancy on the surrogate mother. But who gives a shit about her?

If gay men want biological children then they need to find a willing woman with whom to co-parent. If that is not possible then I’m afraid you can’t always have what you want.

Surrogacy is abhorrent, dystopian stuff of nightmares.

I think a woman should be able to consent to a pregnancy she wants thanks 👍

You are woefully naive.

No one does it out of the goodness of their hearts. Expenses my arse.

And that’s why nearly all don’t do it in the U.K.

Read up about baby farms in India. Or about the babies born by surrogate mothers in the Ukraine

That’s not true at all. IVF has a higher rate of identical twins too, which is not done purposefully. Yes twins are definitely dangerous. We don’t know the situation but it could very easily be coincidental.

Sexist to suggest only females can have children ??? I've read it all now. I don't believe in god but somebody/thing decided that the female of this species should carry the children. Take it up with them I guess.

Do you have twins?

Identical IVF twins are not that common.

This is such a gross thread.

Urm no that's not the only reason why twins occur in IVF

Fraternal twins are far more common in these cases. But what you’re saying is the purchasing parents clearly also don’t give a shit if they are more likely to inflict a high risk identical twin pregnancy either.

Some people definitely do surrogacy out of the kindness of their hearts and for the love of a friend or family.

That said, the overwhelming majority is poor people being exploited. The whole thing is barbaric and is just another way women and children are being screwed over and sold down the river by people chanting be kind.

Be kind to the baby who has listened to one voice and one heartbeat for the best part of 9 months. Like PP's have said, you wouldn't do it to a kitten or a puppy. (Kittens should be 8 weeks earliest but more people say 12 now.)

@Newnamenewname109870
Pregnancy is more dangerous with a donor eggs too. Higher rates of preeclampsia.

I think donor eggs are often used in surrogacy not because the surrogate is infertile but to try to prevent her feeling the baby is hers and/or to pick a genetically 'superior' egg from a woman who is good looking with a high iq.

Why wouldn’t they care? They would have gone through all of this with their surrogate. Some would agree to a selected termination if that was the surrogates wishes. Once again, her body her choice.

Um I don’t think the celebrities can control identical twins in ivf 😂 bit of an angry overstretch

Otherwise, tough shit frankly. That’s the hand that life has dealt you

What about couples who cant naturally conceive then, should they just live with the hand they were dealt or is IVF fine? People buy babies ..or at least gamble lots of money on the hope of getting a baby through ivf.

The surrogate is consenting.

Adopted babies are taken away from their birth mothers just as quickly.

That’s an absolutely tremendous assumption . Or they might do it because it’s easier for the surrogate and she might not want to carry her own generic child. Why is the assumption that everyone must have the absolute worst motives? Surely even if you think it’s morally corrupt to use a surrogate l, you must realise that those doing it are desperate for a baby and ignorant? Or do you actually think that celebrities like Tom Daley sit there planning ways to damage women just for fun? 😂

Yanbu.

I disagree with surrogacy as a practice, doesn’t matter who is buying the baby or under what circumstances.

Agreed. It’s very easy for people to say “tough shit” when it has no impact on their daily life.

Be kind to the baby who has listened to one voice and one heartbeat for the best part of 9 months. Like PP's have said, you wouldn't do it to a kitten or a puppy. (Kittens should be 8 weeks earliest but more people say 12 now.)

Then is adoption of newborns is a no-no?

Were you one of those people who said “tough shit” about lesbians having rights to marry or letting gay men adopt? Because that used to be a common thing.

Absolutely hate the "just adopt" mindset. Adoption isn't all shiny and happy and altruistic. It's deeply traumatic for children.

Also, sex work is real work and to say it isn't puts women's lives at risk.

So a mother also needs to always breastfeed right? And the father can’t take the baby and become primary caregiver?

Well I have had a lot of IVF and it is common enough to be something that has been spoken about every time. It is one of the reasons why single embryo transfer is preferred.

The kindest thing is to give the baby to the parents who deeply want it and are genetically related.

I agree op. It's not a human right to be a parent. I think it's going to open a whole can of worms in the future. I feel very sorry for these designer babies deliberately created to be motherless.