Made in Chelsea blokes - twins via surrogate

[HermioneKipper]

More “celebs” commissioning a woman’s body to buy a baby.

When is this going to be made illegal 😡

And twins again. So many of them have twins. I think I get a bit triggered by this especially as I have twins and know how dangerous twin pregnancy can be for both mother and babies. And what it does to a woman’s body. No one could consent to this.

Had to switch off Giovanna Fletcher and her simpering podcast when they started talking about “their” miscarriages. Horrific amounts of bleeding, pain and horrendous wrenching emotional pain for you was it mates? No, didn’t think so.

But it's not a right. There are a lot of things people can argue should be a right, it doesn't mean that they are though.

It's homophobic to say men don't have the right to rent a woman's womb and buy a baby?

Do you remember where you read that? Her instagram page tags a US agency.

This pregnancy is with a British surrogate via a U.S. agency. They wanted to use a U.S. agency before but Covid put the kibosh on that. So how many women is that now who have contributed to them wanting babies?

At least three, maybe 4. At least one of them (the egg donor) is from a developing country.

Ollie mentions it on the podcast that with Giovanni that people contacted them
to help, I could be mistaken though & that could have just been the first surrogate they tried, she’s definitely from England though, distinct NE accent! He says that it was the fourth go & the people at the clinic said they should really try two embryos this time, and he then says “which is very unusual for England” so they must have been implanted in the UK which must also mean they didn’t use the Brazilian egg donors eggs?

This is all just to say that as it’s happening in the UK it’ll be a bit more regulated than elsewhere & the surrogate will have more rights.

This is an easy one to answer. Adoption is a solution to a situation that has arisen, the child already exists and cannot be raised by the birth parents for whatever reason. Surrogacy creates a baby with the sole intent of removal from birth parents. Hope that helps.

Some of the language in this thread regarding surrogate mothers is so overly dramatic. Why can't people accept that some women just want to do a nice thing for others.

Well it’s not tough shit is it because the can use a surrogate.

Ollie mentions it on the podcast that with Giovanni that people contacted them
to help see does no one else think this is weird? They were only contacted by people because they are celebrities. It’s unlikely the same women would have put their hands up to help Bob and Jim from down the road. People have a weird thing with getting as close to celebrity as they can and seeing celebrities as people they know and love, even when they’ve never met.
Deciding to act as a surrogate for someone you do love and know well is one thing but feeling for the plight of someone you follow on Instagram is something a bit odd.

Why are people acting like a child being taken away from the woman who carried and gave birth to them is the worse thing in the world?

There are some absolute dog shit mothers out there, who absolutely should not have had the right to have children - and it was pure dumb luck that she biologically could. Them being plucked away from her as soon as they were born would have been the best thing that could have ever happened to them, but they weren't so lucky.

Regardless of how they were created (which was out of love, and in most cases, consent) they will be loved, wanted, and cared for. I'd say that makes for a pretty lucky baby.

@DrMeredithGrey2023 because it can cause issues. That is why much more care is taken during adoption process. Are you adopted @DrMeredithGrey2023?

Yes and most people on here agree there should be care taken for surrogacy too, no one here loves the idea of baby farms and vulnerable women being mistreated. 🙄

I know. Typical mumsnet. No, women must be crazy or being abused.

@Auxbutteschaumont - she might be British (she is) but it depends very much when the babies are born. I suspect that as they used a U.S. clinic for the embryo transfer, she'll be flown back for the delivery.

They have deliberately avoided the additional checks and balances accorded to U.K. surrogacy laws so I don't see why that is going to change.

Yeah and sex workers are just doing a nice thing for some pervy bloke right

I don’t see how you can’t see the difference. Absolutely madness.

As I say though on the podcast I’m sure he says that the embryos were implanted in the UK, as he says they were encouraged to implant 2 which is “very unusual in England”. However I will say I was dealing with a toddler & had Mr Tumble in the background while listening to it so it’s possible he meant the situation of two being implanted is unusual for England, rather than they were in the UK!

@Clymene I’ve just had another listen and they definitely say they’re with the London Women’s Clinic and they were encouraged to transfer two embryos as this was their fourth time, and transferring two at once ‘very rare in England’.

They absolutely did the first ones in other places first though, Mexico & Cyprus I believe.

Why would they fly her to the US for birth? They still have to go through the parental order process in the UK even if the baby is born in the States. There’s no advantage to the baby being born in the US.

This thread is hilarious. OP implies that women can’t make decisions for themselves, we are in some sort of constant state of oppression.

All I know is that the mother of the twins has tagged this clinic: www.circlesurrogacy.com/parents/international-parenting/uk in her post on insta. That is the very first page I got.

I'm guessing she or the dads are watching this thread though as she's now set her account to private.

If there are no benefits, I don't know why she's tagged the US clinic. Unless that's where they did the embryo transfer? Fewer objections to multiples

@Clymene I’ve just noticed she’s went private too! Tbh I assumed she tagged that agency because it was their image she was posting, much like when she tagged Hello magazine because she’d used some images from their article about Ollie & Gareth.

I didn’t see any other reference to that agency on her Instagram I don’t think and she’s not featured on their Instagram despite being quite open about it all on her own.

@Clymene on their website is also says they only accept surrogates who reside in specific states in the US & they don’t accept surrogates who live internationally so she can’t have gone through them.

On another note though I’m not sure how I feel about an American surrogacy agency setting up shop in the UK & advertising US surrogates. Is this a loophole for US laws to still apply? Or would there be some kind of restrictions based on that office & egg donor clinic being in the UK?

It's very weird @Auxbutteschaumont