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It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!

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bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 11:53

So much of this is tedious backstory, but better to contextualise and not drip feed, so here we go. Also I’d prob be wise to change details but on the other hand I can barely get my head round it myself so this is all straight facts. Name changed though!
We live in a weird house, and when I moved in with now DH 15 years ago, as part of a revamp we built a new bathroom in part of the existing garage, bathroom had no window. The back wall of our house and garage and therefore the outer wall of the bathroom is a wall in someone else’s garden. I know I’m gonna have to add a diagram and I will!
The someone else was an elderly neighbour who I really loved and visited a lot, but she died a couple of years ago, and the house was empty for a bit.
This just happened to coincide with us re-doing the bathroom and DH thought it was a chance to put a window in. He didn’t put one in first time round because we asked elderly neighbour’s late DH and he said no, so fair enough we didn’t push it. But this time DH thought the timing meant he could get away with it. I was a bit unsure but he basically just went ahead.
In the process he a) informed the son of late elderly woman that window was happening and could he please tell any buyers.
b) informed the estate agents to please tell any buyers.
c) got planning permission.

Basically he kept in touch with son and EA so we thought all good. Window finished. New neighbours moved in. A couple in their 30s, new to the village (yes we live in a village, so it's rural). The bloke hit the roof at the window, and claims no one told him, but we have our suspicions that he might be telling porkies.
Now the window cannot be seen at all from their house (I know this for a fact because I spent plenty time in their house visiting elderly friend, and I’m well aware what parts of the garden are visible from the house and what are not). This wall is not. It’s not a large window it’s a wide but shallow window from top to bottom window and the glass is not remotely see through, proper obscured glass. But the bloke hates it and is obviously very pissed off.
I have some sympathy for this to be honest, I did think DH was chancing it building the window while the house was empty, even though he played it all by the book.

Now to the meat. Since they moved in bloke and DH are at loggerheads but managing to be sort of surface polite, bloke came round and discussed it with DH and DH agreed to a window limiter so window would only open a couple of inches. Not happy but agreed. I was away so I haven’t met them.
However – DH says bloke was subtly threatening and bullying, and since we agreed to window limiter bloke has put both a shed overlapping one end of the window, a trellis right up almost touching and – worst and most aggressive – a piece of wood against the outside of the window so that effectively we can’t open it all all, not even a centimetre. DH very upset. It does feel like a bullying act of aggression, especially given we agreed to limit the window from our side, and it means we can’t clean the outside of the window by opening it and with the trellis etc DH thinks it’s going to get quickly fouled up with trapped leaves.
Meanwhile the pretence at being civilised carries on apace and DH, who bumps into the bloke fairly regularly (I never seem to see them but I’m away a lot) has invited them both round for coffee and to see the bathroom, to which they’ve just replied they’ll get back to us with times.
DH wants civility to prevail and wants me to re-open the question of a window limiter and could he please kindly remove his fucking aggressive stick from our window (my words, I’m getting angry writing this).

My problem is I’m a post-menopausal harpy and I feel only capable of two modes with this. 1. Play dumb and nice but not get involved. 2. Give it to bloke with all barrels, tell him what I think of his piece of wood and call him out for bullying DH. DH is a totally non-macho pussycat by the way and probably mildly autistic, hence walking into this by blithely building his bloody window.
I could do without ANY of it! By the way there are no other windows on the back of our house except three roof skylights in the upstairs living room.

Help – what should I do? I’ve been putting off even thinking about it but it’s now upon us – the civilised visit – and I’m going to have to meet these people and say something. But what? AIBU to want to fight the bully?
Sorry so long. Really didn’t want to drip feed.

It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!
OP posts:
SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 25/04/2023 13:12

So basically you've installed a window that faces into the middle of the guys garden?

Tunaormayo74 · 25/04/2023 13:13

StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/04/2023 12:26

Window finished. New neighbours moved in

You got planning permission. If he didn't own the house his lawyers should have picked up the planning request. If the window was already completed then he shouldn't have bought the house if it bothered him that much.

I understand he might not be thrilled but he shouldn't be aggressive.

Planning permission does not trump the law. The neighbours hold the law as their trump card.

Boughtitdownthemarket · 25/04/2023 13:14

I wouldn't fancy someone's toilet window opening into my garden. Sorry, OP.

Vivalaive · 25/04/2023 13:14

gettingoldisshit · 25/04/2023 13:11

I don't see what the neighbours problem is! Its nowhere near or over looking the house and your view from it is very limited! Hes just being a petty, spiteful knob!

I wouldn’t want to be sat in my garden and hear/ see neighbour using toilet or taking a shower etc. Likewise would op like to be in shower and have a figure outside the window. Come on neighbour is rightly fuming a house is probably the biggest purchase you’ll ever make. This would infuriate me.

piedbeauty · 25/04/2023 13:15

Agreeing to the window limiter is sensible. But your neighbour is being an arse by sticking the wood up against it. It's not affecting him in any way - the window is literally open a few inches over air over his boundary.

What did the Council say when they granted planning permission? Were there any conditions?

Tunaormayo74 · 25/04/2023 13:15

OP is that wall a shared boundary. Your post wasn’t clear who owns that wall.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/04/2023 13:15

piedbeauty · 25/04/2023 13:08

The window faces the very end of your neighbour's garden? And it's fully obscured glass? And you have planning permission for it?

Then your new neighbour is a complete arse.

No, apparently that's not the very end of his garden. The line is confusing, but OP says it's an arrow not a boundary line.

Tunaormayo74 · 25/04/2023 13:17

piedbeauty · 25/04/2023 13:15

Agreeing to the window limiter is sensible. But your neighbour is being an arse by sticking the wood up against it. It's not affecting him in any way - the window is literally open a few inches over air over his boundary.

What did the Council say when they granted planning permission? Were there any conditions?

If the neighbour does not act decisively now, what seems minor could lead to claims over his garden in the longer term.

The neighbour should block it otherwise his rights will be eroded each year that passes.

ArnoldBee · 25/04/2023 13:17

This happened in one of those tv programmes like grand designs and the outcome was that opening a window was trespassing on the neighbours property. You need to sort a better window design.

TokyoSushi · 25/04/2023 13:17

Fabulous diagram OP!

Is it one of those very high level very thin windows that are just used for ventilation and can't really be looked out of? If it is, it's not ideal but if it's really that far down the neighbours garden then I might be inclined to say he should let it go.

But if it's a 'proper' window you're unreasonable really and I think you'll just have to live with the consequences of him blocking it.

bigbluebus · 25/04/2023 13:17

@steppemum . How old is your house? It wouldn't be allowed now.

Milkand2sugarsplease · 25/04/2023 13:17

Can you not swap the window for a sliding window?

Presumably the window is only really there to stop damp in the bathroom so if it slides open, it will do its job??

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 25/04/2023 13:18

gettingoldisshit · 25/04/2023 13:11

I don't see what the neighbours problem is! Its nowhere near or over looking the house and your view from it is very limited! Hes just being a petty, spiteful knob!

So you'd have no problem seeing/hearing/smelling someone have a shit while you're relaxing in your garden?

Sorry I'd be pissed off about that too.

Restinggoddess · 25/04/2023 13:18
  1. you have planning permission
  2. did the window go in before they bought the house? If so then nowt to see here folks
piedbeauty · 25/04/2023 13:18

How long is the neighbours garden? Would they be able to see or hear you on your bathroom? Looks like the garden is about 100 feet, from your drawing.

HowcanIgetoutofthisalive · 25/04/2023 13:19

Vivalaive · 25/04/2023 13:14

I wouldn’t want to be sat in my garden and hear/ see neighbour using toilet or taking a shower etc. Likewise would op like to be in shower and have a figure outside the window. Come on neighbour is rightly fuming a house is probably the biggest purchase you’ll ever make. This would infuriate me.

I hear my neighbours in their shower when I'm sat in our garden. The nose snorting when in the shower is rather spectacular tbf! And we live in normal detached houses with a typical gap between so not on top of each other (so to speak)

HidingFromDD · 25/04/2023 13:20

You’ve created a boundary dispute. The onus was on you to ensure that you had the appropriate legal rights over the land, planning permission doesn’t check this. Technically you could change to an inward opening window but that’s still going to impact their use of the garden.

just one point, regardless of how opaque the windows are, please remember that when you turn the lights on they’ll have clear visibility of what you’re doing there (as a person who gets the bloke opposite having a pee every morning when I’m eating my cornflakes….)

piedbeauty · 25/04/2023 13:20

If the neighbour does not act decisively now, what seems minor could lead to claims over his garden in the longer term.
The neighbour should block it otherwise his rights will be eroded each year that passes.

Could it actually, @Tunaormayo74?? Why did the Council give permission then?

Acornsoup · 25/04/2023 13:21

It's a bit invasive IMO and I wouldn't like it. Lock the window shut, put on privacy film and get a bloody vent fan.

L1ttledrummergirl · 25/04/2023 13:21

If it's a party wall, what agreements were reached by the solicitors between yourselves and the owners of the house at the time? You should abide by these.*

*Assuming you paid the fees for both sets of solicitors before starting work as per the law, and weren't just arrogant arseholes who felt the law didn't apply to them.

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 13:22

Made a couple of diagrammatic additions to help clarify.

Feeling very suitably chastised, I must say.

It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!
OP posts:
FrippEnos · 25/04/2023 13:22

Just putting this out there but

Is there a difference in planning permission for a window against an opening window?

If so is the OP in breach of planning permission?

DisforDarkChocolate · 25/04/2023 13:22

I'd do exactly what your neighbour did. I'd hate to have a window looking into my garden like this.

Tunaormayo74 · 25/04/2023 13:23

piedbeauty · 25/04/2023 13:20

If the neighbour does not act decisively now, what seems minor could lead to claims over his garden in the longer term.
The neighbour should block it otherwise his rights will be eroded each year that passes.

Could it actually, @Tunaormayo74?? Why did the Council give permission then?

There is a difference between planning permission and the law. That is why right to light is not covered by planning and Planning departments make it abundantly clear what is and isn’t their remit.

Once that window is in there and if the neighbour does nothing to block it, after I think 20 years, that’s it. The OP would have acquired that right leaving the neighbour in a bit of a bother.

Planning permission does not trump the law.

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 13:24

L1ttledrummergirl · 25/04/2023 13:21

If it's a party wall, what agreements were reached by the solicitors between yourselves and the owners of the house at the time? You should abide by these.*

*Assuming you paid the fees for both sets of solicitors before starting work as per the law, and weren't just arrogant arseholes who felt the law didn't apply to them.

We were advised by a solicitor who specialises in party wall work that it's not a party wall because there's no building on neighbour's side. So he literally said it doesn't come under party wall legislation and nothing could be drawn up.
I'm sure he'd have taken our money if there was a valid party wall agreement to be had.

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