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It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!

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bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 11:53

So much of this is tedious backstory, but better to contextualise and not drip feed, so here we go. Also I’d prob be wise to change details but on the other hand I can barely get my head round it myself so this is all straight facts. Name changed though!
We live in a weird house, and when I moved in with now DH 15 years ago, as part of a revamp we built a new bathroom in part of the existing garage, bathroom had no window. The back wall of our house and garage and therefore the outer wall of the bathroom is a wall in someone else’s garden. I know I’m gonna have to add a diagram and I will!
The someone else was an elderly neighbour who I really loved and visited a lot, but she died a couple of years ago, and the house was empty for a bit.
This just happened to coincide with us re-doing the bathroom and DH thought it was a chance to put a window in. He didn’t put one in first time round because we asked elderly neighbour’s late DH and he said no, so fair enough we didn’t push it. But this time DH thought the timing meant he could get away with it. I was a bit unsure but he basically just went ahead.
In the process he a) informed the son of late elderly woman that window was happening and could he please tell any buyers.
b) informed the estate agents to please tell any buyers.
c) got planning permission.

Basically he kept in touch with son and EA so we thought all good. Window finished. New neighbours moved in. A couple in their 30s, new to the village (yes we live in a village, so it's rural). The bloke hit the roof at the window, and claims no one told him, but we have our suspicions that he might be telling porkies.
Now the window cannot be seen at all from their house (I know this for a fact because I spent plenty time in their house visiting elderly friend, and I’m well aware what parts of the garden are visible from the house and what are not). This wall is not. It’s not a large window it’s a wide but shallow window from top to bottom window and the glass is not remotely see through, proper obscured glass. But the bloke hates it and is obviously very pissed off.
I have some sympathy for this to be honest, I did think DH was chancing it building the window while the house was empty, even though he played it all by the book.

Now to the meat. Since they moved in bloke and DH are at loggerheads but managing to be sort of surface polite, bloke came round and discussed it with DH and DH agreed to a window limiter so window would only open a couple of inches. Not happy but agreed. I was away so I haven’t met them.
However – DH says bloke was subtly threatening and bullying, and since we agreed to window limiter bloke has put both a shed overlapping one end of the window, a trellis right up almost touching and – worst and most aggressive – a piece of wood against the outside of the window so that effectively we can’t open it all all, not even a centimetre. DH very upset. It does feel like a bullying act of aggression, especially given we agreed to limit the window from our side, and it means we can’t clean the outside of the window by opening it and with the trellis etc DH thinks it’s going to get quickly fouled up with trapped leaves.
Meanwhile the pretence at being civilised carries on apace and DH, who bumps into the bloke fairly regularly (I never seem to see them but I’m away a lot) has invited them both round for coffee and to see the bathroom, to which they’ve just replied they’ll get back to us with times.
DH wants civility to prevail and wants me to re-open the question of a window limiter and could he please kindly remove his fucking aggressive stick from our window (my words, I’m getting angry writing this).

My problem is I’m a post-menopausal harpy and I feel only capable of two modes with this. 1. Play dumb and nice but not get involved. 2. Give it to bloke with all barrels, tell him what I think of his piece of wood and call him out for bullying DH. DH is a totally non-macho pussycat by the way and probably mildly autistic, hence walking into this by blithely building his bloody window.
I could do without ANY of it! By the way there are no other windows on the back of our house except three roof skylights in the upstairs living room.

Help – what should I do? I’ve been putting off even thinking about it but it’s now upon us – the civilised visit – and I’m going to have to meet these people and say something. But what? AIBU to want to fight the bully?
Sorry so long. Really didn’t want to drip feed.

It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!
OP posts:
ReadersD1gest · 26/04/2023 20:08

I'd also be very surprised if you are allowed to put up a shed that entirely blocks a neighbour's window
You don't think you're allowed to place what the hell you like on your own property, but think you can have a window opening into next door's?
I don't think you're best placed to offer op any advice, really 🤦‍♀️

RelentlessForwardProgress · 26/04/2023 20:13

I'm not sure if I've understood this correctly:

Did you get PP for the bathroom without a window years ago, and then put a window in 6 months ago when the property was vacant and have not, in fact, applied for planning permission for the window??

henchhen · 26/04/2023 20:33

RelentlessForwardProgress · 26/04/2023 20:13

I'm not sure if I've understood this correctly:

Did you get PP for the bathroom without a window years ago, and then put a window in 6 months ago when the property was vacant and have not, in fact, applied for planning permission for the window??

Pretty much.

Modda · 26/04/2023 22:04

RelentlessForwardProgress · 26/04/2023 20:13

I'm not sure if I've understood this correctly:

Did you get PP for the bathroom without a window years ago, and then put a window in 6 months ago when the property was vacant and have not, in fact, applied for planning permission for the window??

Oh ouch. I missed this bit. Proper fucked then.

SirTarquin · 27/04/2023 10:54

@henchhen @Modda

I'm not sure that's right. OP up thread said:

Two separate pps.
I do know that there was a visit from a council official while I was away to look at the window, she was more concerned that it's a white window than that it exists at all, but in the end it was okayed. So it's been looked at and approved. Neighbour knows this.

So it sounds like there was permission for the window?

DrPrunesquallor · 27/04/2023 12:36

SirTarquin · 27/04/2023 10:54

@henchhen @Modda

I'm not sure that's right. OP up thread said:

Two separate pps.
I do know that there was a visit from a council official while I was away to look at the window, she was more concerned that it's a white window than that it exists at all, but in the end it was okayed. So it's been looked at and approved. Neighbour knows this.

So it sounds like there was permission for the window?

PP
Think this would be building regs though.
Planners very stretched ( like everything ) and rarely visit. They don’t do a final sign off. Building control however do.

DrPrunesquallor · 27/04/2023 12:39

ReadersD1gest · 26/04/2023 20:08

I'd also be very surprised if you are allowed to put up a shed that entirely blocks a neighbour's window
You don't think you're allowed to place what the hell you like on your own property, but think you can have a window opening into next door's?
I don't think you're best placed to offer op any advice, really 🤦‍♀️

You can do this if the window has been there for less than 20years and if there’s no easement.

PersilPower · 28/04/2023 19:57

I really want to know what played out with that Daily Mail family since it’s now been 14 years

Jonei · 28/04/2023 20:05

PersilPower · 28/04/2023 19:57

I really want to know what played out with that Daily Mail family since it’s now been 14 years

It would be interesting to know.

DiscoBeat · 28/04/2023 21:19

If the open window encroaches on their garden I can see why they would be annoyed, if a little pedantic. Can you get a sash type window so that their trellis shenanigans don't affect you?

Dishwashersaurous · 29/04/2023 07:18

You really need to find the planning permission decision, and what bit says about opening.

It should be on the council website

hettie · 29/04/2023 07:39

If you got planning permission for the new window, told the owner (who was the owner at the time) and it's within your boundary you've done nothing wrong. If his piece of wood is over your boundary he's actually in the wrong.
But presumably you've all got to get along for a few years? Personally I dint get what the issue is a window at the end of your garden just seems like a non issue. But I live in a city and I know there are people who get incredibly uptight about living with people and spend small fortunes on rural property to not be overlooked or overheard.
So... One or both of you need to open a line of communication and politely ask what is the most troubling thing about this for the neighbors and see what can be negotiated.

Londongent · 29/04/2023 09:54

Clearly there is no planning permission for this window. Even if there was it would not give legal rights of trespass over their neighbour's land.

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