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It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!

489 replies

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 11:53

So much of this is tedious backstory, but better to contextualise and not drip feed, so here we go. Also I’d prob be wise to change details but on the other hand I can barely get my head round it myself so this is all straight facts. Name changed though!
We live in a weird house, and when I moved in with now DH 15 years ago, as part of a revamp we built a new bathroom in part of the existing garage, bathroom had no window. The back wall of our house and garage and therefore the outer wall of the bathroom is a wall in someone else’s garden. I know I’m gonna have to add a diagram and I will!
The someone else was an elderly neighbour who I really loved and visited a lot, but she died a couple of years ago, and the house was empty for a bit.
This just happened to coincide with us re-doing the bathroom and DH thought it was a chance to put a window in. He didn’t put one in first time round because we asked elderly neighbour’s late DH and he said no, so fair enough we didn’t push it. But this time DH thought the timing meant he could get away with it. I was a bit unsure but he basically just went ahead.
In the process he a) informed the son of late elderly woman that window was happening and could he please tell any buyers.
b) informed the estate agents to please tell any buyers.
c) got planning permission.

Basically he kept in touch with son and EA so we thought all good. Window finished. New neighbours moved in. A couple in their 30s, new to the village (yes we live in a village, so it's rural). The bloke hit the roof at the window, and claims no one told him, but we have our suspicions that he might be telling porkies.
Now the window cannot be seen at all from their house (I know this for a fact because I spent plenty time in their house visiting elderly friend, and I’m well aware what parts of the garden are visible from the house and what are not). This wall is not. It’s not a large window it’s a wide but shallow window from top to bottom window and the glass is not remotely see through, proper obscured glass. But the bloke hates it and is obviously very pissed off.
I have some sympathy for this to be honest, I did think DH was chancing it building the window while the house was empty, even though he played it all by the book.

Now to the meat. Since they moved in bloke and DH are at loggerheads but managing to be sort of surface polite, bloke came round and discussed it with DH and DH agreed to a window limiter so window would only open a couple of inches. Not happy but agreed. I was away so I haven’t met them.
However – DH says bloke was subtly threatening and bullying, and since we agreed to window limiter bloke has put both a shed overlapping one end of the window, a trellis right up almost touching and – worst and most aggressive – a piece of wood against the outside of the window so that effectively we can’t open it all all, not even a centimetre. DH very upset. It does feel like a bullying act of aggression, especially given we agreed to limit the window from our side, and it means we can’t clean the outside of the window by opening it and with the trellis etc DH thinks it’s going to get quickly fouled up with trapped leaves.
Meanwhile the pretence at being civilised carries on apace and DH, who bumps into the bloke fairly regularly (I never seem to see them but I’m away a lot) has invited them both round for coffee and to see the bathroom, to which they’ve just replied they’ll get back to us with times.
DH wants civility to prevail and wants me to re-open the question of a window limiter and could he please kindly remove his fucking aggressive stick from our window (my words, I’m getting angry writing this).

My problem is I’m a post-menopausal harpy and I feel only capable of two modes with this. 1. Play dumb and nice but not get involved. 2. Give it to bloke with all barrels, tell him what I think of his piece of wood and call him out for bullying DH. DH is a totally non-macho pussycat by the way and probably mildly autistic, hence walking into this by blithely building his bloody window.
I could do without ANY of it! By the way there are no other windows on the back of our house except three roof skylights in the upstairs living room.

Help – what should I do? I’ve been putting off even thinking about it but it’s now upon us – the civilised visit – and I’m going to have to meet these people and say something. But what? AIBU to want to fight the bully?
Sorry so long. Really didn’t want to drip feed.

It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!
OP posts:
HowcanIgetoutofthisalive · 25/04/2023 12:57

FrenchandSaunders · 25/04/2023 12:15

I thought you were being a CF reading that, but having seen the diagram, it's right at the end of the garden, and sort of round a corner so what's his problem!

You have planning permission, he needs to get over it.

my thoughts too.

ExhaustedPigwidgeon · 25/04/2023 12:58

I’d have put a shed up too - privacy in my garden is important to me regardless of how big the garden is. What is neighbour wants a seating area at the bottom of the garden? Nobody wants to hear your toilet flushing sitting in the garden!

Username84 · 25/04/2023 12:58

Is the wood part of a structure resting against your wall? If so, challenge before it becomes a headache.

Are there rules about structures of a certain size being within a certain limit of the boundary? Could probably challenge on that front too.

Shame you didn't buy a section of the garden from elderly neighbour really.

Caloriecount24042023 · 25/04/2023 12:58

Replace the window with one than opens inwards like the French.

ExhaustedPigwidgeon · 25/04/2023 12:59

HowcanIgetoutofthisalive · 25/04/2023 12:57

my thoughts too.

Some of us like to use our entire gardens

Notjustabrunette · 25/04/2023 12:59

Could you get a sliding window?

LtJudyHopps · 25/04/2023 13:00

I don’t think the neighbour is bullying you or DH he’s just setting his boundary - he doesn’t want your bathroom window to open in to his garden! DH was definitely in the wrong here but I completely appreciate why he wanted to do it.
I know it’s hindsight and everything but you also could have gone with a top opening window as a way of getting air in but not overlooking his garden. A window that opens inwards (I would imagine) he would still have a problem with and would still have put a shed there to stop you looking in to his garden.

Strawberrydelight78 · 25/04/2023 13:01

YANBU But you have to live next door to him so wouldn't bite back.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/04/2023 13:01

ExhaustedPigwidgeon · 25/04/2023 12:59

Some of us like to use our entire gardens

Exactly! And as OP says that bottom line is an arrow & not the boundary of the neighbour's garden, then the bathroom window is even more intrusive/intrudes on even more of the garden.

SnarkyBag · 25/04/2023 13:02

Sorry I’m on team neighbour. Your DH took advantage of the situation and now it’s backfired. No bullying here just someone setting their boundaries with CF neighbours!

BellatrixLestrangesHeatedCurlers · 25/04/2023 13:03

I voted YANBU purely for the excellent diagram, but your DH WBU, I wouldn't like to find out a window sneakily opened into my garden, either, on principle.

MariaRemindsMeOfAWestSideStory · 25/04/2023 13:03

I’m another one who is amazed you got permission. But you and your DH also can’t seriously thing it is acceptable to open your window into someone else’s garden. He is more than able to put whatever freestanding materials in his garden and if it affects your ability to open the window then, tough.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Your DH took advantage of the situation (presumably there were no objections to the PP application as the house was empty) and now has to live with the consequences.

HeadNorth · 25/04/2023 13:03

I'm confused - does the windown open inwards? If s0, how does the bit of wood prevent it opening?

Creditcrunch2243 · 25/04/2023 13:04

I’ll be honest if someone put a window that opened into my garden I would immediately put a fence in front of it.

Whichnumbers · 25/04/2023 13:04

you live and learn, id just not open the window and realise that in 7 years they'll have probably moved - or you will have

steppemum · 25/04/2023 13:04

bigbluebus · 25/04/2023 12:37

You absolutely can't open a window over someone else's land. A planning application to build a 2 storey house was recently refused in our village because the windows would open over a the tarmac area outside the neighbouring business premises.
I'm surprised that you got PP.

we have 2 windows that open over our neighbours land.
Both bathroom/loo windows, so both small, we are 2 ordinary houses in a street, the windows open over the narrow strip between our houses, and so he can't see them unless he is taking his bins out. But that narrow strip is his.

Dishwashy · 25/04/2023 13:04

How important is it to you to be able to open the window? Do you have a good extractor fan and where does it extract to?

MariaRemindsMeOfAWestSideStory · 25/04/2023 13:05

HowcanIgetoutofthisalive · 25/04/2023 12:57

my thoughts too.

Except that line at the bottom is not a boundary but an arrow. So it’s not exactly at the very bottom of the garden.

houseonthehill · 25/04/2023 13:05

Yes, you needed an agreement made via solicitors to create an ?easement? to allow part of your property to project over the neighbour's land, I think. Amongst the deeds etc of our property there is an instrument which permits 3 tiny overhangs (2 inches) when the neighbouring building had some vents fitted. They are at attic level on a 3 storey building, so of zero consequence... but formal agreement was still required, apparently.

Magnetoincognito · 25/04/2023 13:05

I'm surprised you got planning permission for an outward opening window. Are you sure the permission didn't say it had to be inward? I'm kind of with your neighbour I'm afraid and would want a trellis up or even a compost heap in that location.

HowcanIgetoutofthisalive · 25/04/2023 13:05

ExhaustedPigwidgeon · 25/04/2023 12:59

Some of us like to use our entire gardens

as do i @ExhaustedPigwidgeon

but if OP and her DH agreed to a window opening minimiser, one wouldn't be able to see barely anything out of their bathroom window would they; that's even if they wanted to look out of it? 🙄

L1ttledrummergirl · 25/04/2023 13:06

Planning permission for a window doesn't mean you have flying rights over his property. That land is his, you have no rights over it. If your dh is anything less than contrite and apologetic then he's a knob.

Yabvu.

piedbeauty · 25/04/2023 13:08

The window faces the very end of your neighbour's garden? And it's fully obscured glass? And you have planning permission for it?

Then your new neighbour is a complete arse.

Nowfeeltheneedtopost · 25/04/2023 13:08

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 11:53

So much of this is tedious backstory, but better to contextualise and not drip feed, so here we go. Also I’d prob be wise to change details but on the other hand I can barely get my head round it myself so this is all straight facts. Name changed though!
We live in a weird house, and when I moved in with now DH 15 years ago, as part of a revamp we built a new bathroom in part of the existing garage, bathroom had no window. The back wall of our house and garage and therefore the outer wall of the bathroom is a wall in someone else’s garden. I know I’m gonna have to add a diagram and I will!
The someone else was an elderly neighbour who I really loved and visited a lot, but she died a couple of years ago, and the house was empty for a bit.
This just happened to coincide with us re-doing the bathroom and DH thought it was a chance to put a window in. He didn’t put one in first time round because we asked elderly neighbour’s late DH and he said no, so fair enough we didn’t push it. But this time DH thought the timing meant he could get away with it. I was a bit unsure but he basically just went ahead.
In the process he a) informed the son of late elderly woman that window was happening and could he please tell any buyers.
b) informed the estate agents to please tell any buyers.
c) got planning permission.

Basically he kept in touch with son and EA so we thought all good. Window finished. New neighbours moved in. A couple in their 30s, new to the village (yes we live in a village, so it's rural). The bloke hit the roof at the window, and claims no one told him, but we have our suspicions that he might be telling porkies.
Now the window cannot be seen at all from their house (I know this for a fact because I spent plenty time in their house visiting elderly friend, and I’m well aware what parts of the garden are visible from the house and what are not). This wall is not. It’s not a large window it’s a wide but shallow window from top to bottom window and the glass is not remotely see through, proper obscured glass. But the bloke hates it and is obviously very pissed off.
I have some sympathy for this to be honest, I did think DH was chancing it building the window while the house was empty, even though he played it all by the book.

Now to the meat. Since they moved in bloke and DH are at loggerheads but managing to be sort of surface polite, bloke came round and discussed it with DH and DH agreed to a window limiter so window would only open a couple of inches. Not happy but agreed. I was away so I haven’t met them.
However – DH says bloke was subtly threatening and bullying, and since we agreed to window limiter bloke has put both a shed overlapping one end of the window, a trellis right up almost touching and – worst and most aggressive – a piece of wood against the outside of the window so that effectively we can’t open it all all, not even a centimetre. DH very upset. It does feel like a bullying act of aggression, especially given we agreed to limit the window from our side, and it means we can’t clean the outside of the window by opening it and with the trellis etc DH thinks it’s going to get quickly fouled up with trapped leaves.
Meanwhile the pretence at being civilised carries on apace and DH, who bumps into the bloke fairly regularly (I never seem to see them but I’m away a lot) has invited them both round for coffee and to see the bathroom, to which they’ve just replied they’ll get back to us with times.
DH wants civility to prevail and wants me to re-open the question of a window limiter and could he please kindly remove his fucking aggressive stick from our window (my words, I’m getting angry writing this).

My problem is I’m a post-menopausal harpy and I feel only capable of two modes with this. 1. Play dumb and nice but not get involved. 2. Give it to bloke with all barrels, tell him what I think of his piece of wood and call him out for bullying DH. DH is a totally non-macho pussycat by the way and probably mildly autistic, hence walking into this by blithely building his bloody window.
I could do without ANY of it! By the way there are no other windows on the back of our house except three roof skylights in the upstairs living room.

Help – what should I do? I’ve been putting off even thinking about it but it’s now upon us – the civilised visit – and I’m going to have to meet these people and say something. But what? AIBU to want to fight the bully?
Sorry so long. Really didn’t want to drip feed.

Your diagram suggests you only have one external wall - where are the rest of your windows?! It looks as if there are three walls into this neighbour's garden, three walls into the other neighbour's garden, one wall between your house and garage and one external wall. From your diagram, you must surely already have some existing windows which open into his garden, even without the bathroom window?

gettingoldisshit · 25/04/2023 13:11

I don't see what the neighbours problem is! Its nowhere near or over looking the house and your view from it is very limited! Hes just being a petty, spiteful knob!