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It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!

489 replies

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 11:53

So much of this is tedious backstory, but better to contextualise and not drip feed, so here we go. Also I’d prob be wise to change details but on the other hand I can barely get my head round it myself so this is all straight facts. Name changed though!
We live in a weird house, and when I moved in with now DH 15 years ago, as part of a revamp we built a new bathroom in part of the existing garage, bathroom had no window. The back wall of our house and garage and therefore the outer wall of the bathroom is a wall in someone else’s garden. I know I’m gonna have to add a diagram and I will!
The someone else was an elderly neighbour who I really loved and visited a lot, but she died a couple of years ago, and the house was empty for a bit.
This just happened to coincide with us re-doing the bathroom and DH thought it was a chance to put a window in. He didn’t put one in first time round because we asked elderly neighbour’s late DH and he said no, so fair enough we didn’t push it. But this time DH thought the timing meant he could get away with it. I was a bit unsure but he basically just went ahead.
In the process he a) informed the son of late elderly woman that window was happening and could he please tell any buyers.
b) informed the estate agents to please tell any buyers.
c) got planning permission.

Basically he kept in touch with son and EA so we thought all good. Window finished. New neighbours moved in. A couple in their 30s, new to the village (yes we live in a village, so it's rural). The bloke hit the roof at the window, and claims no one told him, but we have our suspicions that he might be telling porkies.
Now the window cannot be seen at all from their house (I know this for a fact because I spent plenty time in their house visiting elderly friend, and I’m well aware what parts of the garden are visible from the house and what are not). This wall is not. It’s not a large window it’s a wide but shallow window from top to bottom window and the glass is not remotely see through, proper obscured glass. But the bloke hates it and is obviously very pissed off.
I have some sympathy for this to be honest, I did think DH was chancing it building the window while the house was empty, even though he played it all by the book.

Now to the meat. Since they moved in bloke and DH are at loggerheads but managing to be sort of surface polite, bloke came round and discussed it with DH and DH agreed to a window limiter so window would only open a couple of inches. Not happy but agreed. I was away so I haven’t met them.
However – DH says bloke was subtly threatening and bullying, and since we agreed to window limiter bloke has put both a shed overlapping one end of the window, a trellis right up almost touching and – worst and most aggressive – a piece of wood against the outside of the window so that effectively we can’t open it all all, not even a centimetre. DH very upset. It does feel like a bullying act of aggression, especially given we agreed to limit the window from our side, and it means we can’t clean the outside of the window by opening it and with the trellis etc DH thinks it’s going to get quickly fouled up with trapped leaves.
Meanwhile the pretence at being civilised carries on apace and DH, who bumps into the bloke fairly regularly (I never seem to see them but I’m away a lot) has invited them both round for coffee and to see the bathroom, to which they’ve just replied they’ll get back to us with times.
DH wants civility to prevail and wants me to re-open the question of a window limiter and could he please kindly remove his fucking aggressive stick from our window (my words, I’m getting angry writing this).

My problem is I’m a post-menopausal harpy and I feel only capable of two modes with this. 1. Play dumb and nice but not get involved. 2. Give it to bloke with all barrels, tell him what I think of his piece of wood and call him out for bullying DH. DH is a totally non-macho pussycat by the way and probably mildly autistic, hence walking into this by blithely building his bloody window.
I could do without ANY of it! By the way there are no other windows on the back of our house except three roof skylights in the upstairs living room.

Help – what should I do? I’ve been putting off even thinking about it but it’s now upon us – the civilised visit – and I’m going to have to meet these people and say something. But what? AIBU to want to fight the bully?
Sorry so long. Really didn’t want to drip feed.

It's a nasty neighbour one with diagram!
OP posts:
Lifesagamethentheytaketheboardaway · 25/04/2023 12:46

Getting planning permission doesn’t actually make it OK.

if you open that window, then you are putting it into his property. It opens out the way? Any move out the way is onto his property. You can’t open that window. Shouldn’t have even put it in. I’d lean stuff up against it too, and I would probably just build a shed in the Cortney to totally cover it.

BanditsOnTheHorizon · 25/04/2023 12:47

Can't you move the windows it's not in his garden?

Arewehumanorarewecupboards · 25/04/2023 12:47

You didn’t have a window for ages so surely it’s not too awful to keep it shut?

Ramunea · 25/04/2023 12:47

StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/04/2023 12:38

When you open the window, you are trespassing over his property.

OP said it opens inwards.

Where did OP say this? 🙄

Vivalaive · 25/04/2023 12:47

Vivalaive · 25/04/2023 12:41

You said it yourself dh pushed his luck and put it in while house was unoccupied. I would have thought if previous neighbours had said no then likelihood of new neighbours saying it would have been the same. They essentially will feel awkward using that area of their garden. Yabu imo.

To add- the son of deceased neighbour and estate agent are never going to tell potential buyers about something detrimental to the property if they don’t have to. They want their money! I can honestly see why your neighbour would be pissed.

Viviennemary · 25/04/2023 12:49

Sounds like you are the nightmare neighbout. Walls of extension in somebody else's garden. Garage turned into a bathroom. Now a window out in. Have you had planning permission for all this.

Lifesagamethentheytaketheboardaway · 25/04/2023 12:49

StarbucksSmarterSister · 25/04/2023 12:38

When you open the window, you are trespassing over his property.

OP said it opens inwards.

No @StarbucksSmarterSister, she said she wished she had told her husband to make it inward opening but she didn’t.

NowAAT · 25/04/2023 12:50

Sorry OP, you have no legal rights here.

PlantKi1ler · 25/04/2023 12:50

It's hard to picture it really but I can see why they might be annoyed about it. It's not impossible that they didn't know about the window going in, when I bought my house there were things I discovered after completion that I should have been informed about and wasn't.

Is the window for light or ventilation or both? A good extractor fan might be an option and then you could leave the window closed and you'd still get the light coming in.

GasPanic · 25/04/2023 12:50

The whole "stick" to stop it opening is kind of interesting.

In the respect he is probably in the wrong to put a stick actually against your property.

OTOH, even if the stick wasn't there you probably wouldn't technically be allowed to open the window out onto his land.

So the stick is stopping you doing something you aren't allowed to do anyway !

Freefall212 · 25/04/2023 12:50

There are sliding windows and windows that open inward so it is odd your husband chose an outward opening window - the only kind to infringe on his property. It looks like your house is built in someone else's garden - do you have a garden?

The part of the garden it infringes on seems to be in an unused part of the garden and not looking at a patio or house or area. I guess you will just need to keep the window closed. You didn't have a window there for the last many years and you can live without an open window in the bathroom.

He can put a trellis up if he wishes.

Onautopilot1 · 25/04/2023 12:50

Do you have light domes in the UK? A clear dome in the roof sending light down a reflective tube to a flush porthole like fitting in the bathroom ceiling ( the tube doesn't have to be straight either) Brilliant for internal hallways too. That and an extractor fan. Doesn't solve the neighbour problem though..

Hont1986 · 25/04/2023 12:51

How is a stick preventing it from opening inwards?

viques · 25/04/2023 12:52

I am trying to work out who is the nastier neighbour. The sneaky neighbour who put in a window knowing it was going to cause issues, or the neighbour who won’t discuss possible compromises and is using a bit of wood to be spiteful.

MaggieFS · 25/04/2023 12:52

Hont1986 · 25/04/2023 12:51

How is a stick preventing it from opening inwards?

It doesn't open inwards 🤦‍♀️

ifIwerenotanandroid · 25/04/2023 12:53

You could usefully add to your diagram:

  1. Where your own garden is
  2. What else the bathroom window looks out on

Surely you could still have had a ceiling window by building a shaft through the garage space up to the garage roof? There's a name for it on those Kevin McCloud-type housebuild prog's. Or you could fit an extractor fan & brick up the window - but then there's the noise to consider (if you consider your neighbours at all).

I'm afraid I've no sympathy for you or your DH: you both knew this was unacceptable, hence why it was done between owners. Did you ever consider that it would make it harder for the son of the woman you liked so much to sell her house?

GasPanic · 25/04/2023 12:53

My guess is moving the window down a foot or two so it is not half inside his boundary would be a lot cheaper than spending 2 years in court fighting over it.

NowAAT · 25/04/2023 12:54

MaggieFS · 25/04/2023 12:52

It doesn't open inwards 🤦‍♀️

People refuse to read nowadays

IsAGirlMumma · 25/04/2023 12:54

You got Planning permission. Your neighbour would have been informed of any plans been submitted while they were buying the house.

bathroomwindowargh · 25/04/2023 12:55

To answer a couple of bits - sorry on the diagram I've drawn a line towards the window, it was just meant to be an arrow/indicator to the window, it's not a boundary. Our whole wall is in their garden.

Could not be a sash window it's only 13 inches high.

I'm totally taking on board that we should not have done it and he's got the right to cover it up. But we agreed to the window limiter and he's put this nasty bullying piece of wood instead.
I need to be really nice and apologetic towards them, don't I? I think I'll suck it up and try that.
I'm not sure I care either way. I just want it all to go away. The bathroom has been a massive, massive pain, this is just the poisonous cherry on the rotten cake.

The bathroom itself is really lovely though. Thank god for a silver lining.

OP posts:
Mumsnut · 25/04/2023 12:55

He may re-site his manure heap to just below said window…

SalviaDivinorum · 25/04/2023 12:55

Team Neighbour here

In his position I'd be putting my garden shed over the entire window to maintain my own privacy. What on earth was your DH thinking?

Namechange1345677 · 25/04/2023 12:56

Team neighbour. Your opening a window into his property. I'd be the same if was your neighbour and would probably put a fence directly outside it to stop you looking in to my garden

Brazilagogo · 25/04/2023 12:57

You’ve said a light well wouldn’t work but have you seen Velux Sun Tunnels where they have a flexible option that you might be able to use to go through the garage. Worth looking into perhaps? Other suppliers may have similar products.

Lifesagamethentheytaketheboardaway · 25/04/2023 12:57

They probably agreed to the limiter because your husband was being so obtuse and they didn’t want to push it further. You said that your husband agreed despite not wanting to, so I’m guessing he wasn’t exactly contrite or acting like he had done the wrong thing. They probably felt they couldn’t get any further talking to him so they agreed with your ridiculous limiter idea because they knew they could just cover the window from their side.
It is their garden. They can put wood and sheds wherever they like. I do hope the just build a shed right in front of the window.

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