Diane Abbott

[Flowerly]

To say that Diane Abbott is doing her best to help the Labour Party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

Hideous antisemitism seemingly not gone away at all and add that to the horrendous misogyny in the Labour Party I wonder at this point why ANYONE would vote for them.

AIBU?

Even a university education cannot guarantee against stupidity.

But it was hitler that tried to push the incorrect theory of a ‘Jewish race’. I thought we had moved away and rejected that.

What Keir should concentrate on is releasing the full unedited Forde Report that said Corbyn and others were not guilty of antisemitism and most of it was concocted by the media.

It also is disrespectful to Palestinians who are facing persecution daily. Children taken from homes for throwing stones or wanting to cross an occupied area to go to school.

What about the racism they face, when they leave and come to the UK?

@Summerhillsquare

Exactly, what she said is accurate.

No it isn’t. Crack the spine of a history book for once in your life, you might actually learn something.

Turning to today though, many people are unaware of the Home Office’s official hate crime statistics (published last year) which show that despite making up a tiny fraction of the UK population, Jews were the victims of nearly a quarter of all hate crimes.

In the US, antisemitic incidents hit record levels in 2022, continuing a five-year upswing in antisemitism amid mounting fears the behavior of influential public figures like Donald Trump and Kanye West are normalizing hate. There are a lot of shocking statistics from the FBI on this.

I’m sorry I don’t know the equivalent figures for the traveller / Romani community, if anyone does have these I’d be interested to see them.

Diane Abbott's claim that Jewish people cannot suffer 'racism' is outrageous in itself, but made all the more extraordinary given all that has unfolded in the Labour Party over the past few years. She and her allies on the far-left of the Party could never accept how bad antisemitism had become because they do not even acknowledge that it is a form of racism. She was an uncompromising supporter of Corbyn, a man who as leader of a social Democratic Party party couldn’t accept the world definition of antisemitism because he breaches it. I’m delighted he’s been thrown out of the party.

And as for her, kick her out and keep her out. Her views mean she’s not fit for office.

By the by, this is a fantastic website for those wanting to learn more about historic and modern day antisemitism, and Jewish history in general - https://www.rootsmetals.com/ Well researched, balanced and fair minded.

As I said up thread, Gypsies were murdered by the Nazis on the grounds of their race. So tell me why you don't feel that is racist?

Oh and the Roma are a race - they're pretty obviously darker skinned in Eastern Europe. And yes they experience a hell of a lot of systemic racism and have generally far poorer standards of living.

OMG. You should be ashamed of your ignorance.

Judaism is a religion and being Jewish is an ethnicity/a race.

Irish people, that is those native to Ireland are also an ethnic group.

Gypsies, or rather Roma is also an ethic group.

I find it strange that it's been blamed on 'a draft' being sent by accident.

If you didn't really believe these things, you'd never even write them as a draft, surely?

You’re all confusing what a race is. It isn’t ‘anyone persecuted by Hitler’. Hitler also persecuted homosexuals and the disabled. Doesn’t mean they’re races.

But it was hitler that tried to push the incorrect theory of a ‘Jewish race’. I thought we had moved away and rejected that

Jewish people do belong to specific ethnic groups (Sephardic, Ashkenazic and Mizrahi).

I went to the Jewish Museum in Vienna in 2020... I was shocked and saddened that they needed a security guard on the door..😔 😔 😔 😔

I've experienced first hand antisemitic attacks many times, including physical attacks on several occasions. As has almost anyone I know (albeit not always physical).

It's par for the course in Stamford Hill. Ironically it's usually by non-whites.

That said, I really don't see the terrible hatred and antisemitism in Abbot's words. What I can see is a letter indicative of her general incompetence and intelligence.

Wow, 2 spectacularly ignorant posts for the price of 1.

It makes it look even worse in my opinion. ‘This is what I wrote initially because it’s my true opinion but you weren’t meant to SEE it’.

She should just stand by what she wrote it’s clear that’s what she really thinks.

So we can disregard any racism suffered by people as long as they look white? What about people who have dual heritage?

Agreed and let's remember before anti-Semitism is smeared against the current Labour Party his wife and children are Jewish and proud of it.

No. It is incorrect are the antisemitic tropes Hitler and his cohorts introduced, many of which are still believed today.

This thread is a shit show of ignorance.

I cannot believe now that you are posting in good faith. Appalling in so many ways if this is how you actually think.

And he persecuted Catholics, Slavs and trade unionists to name a few other groups.

Twelve million people died in concentration - not six million.

I agree.

All prejudice is horrible, but no-one has attempted to systematically and brutally eradicate all black people from all nations the way Hitler attempted to eradicate Jewish people.

I was just coming on to say that Diane Abbott’s constituency includes Stamford Hill which is one of the largest Hasidic jewish communities in the UK. I’m glad to see Bergmum beat me to it. I lived there for about 10 years, although I’m not Jewish myself. It was a great place to be, I have wholly happy memories, and I looked it up last year as I still have friends there and found that antisemitic hate crimes have been surging. In 2023 alone kids have been grabbed by the throat and tossed off buses. A couple of years ago, a pregnant woman was attacked (pillowcase over her head and punched repeatedly). An elderly Rabbi (from memory one who had survived the Holocaust as a child) was “beaten bloody” walking past a library. This, this is Abbott’s constituency. How dare she have written that letter.

Hang on. So if the Nazi-propagated view that there is such a thing as a ‘Jewish race’ is incorrect, that means Jewish aren’t a race. So how can they experience racism? Or do you believe Jewish people are a race?

This isn't a clumsily worded reply in an interview, this is a letter she wrote by choice. I just don't understand what she was trying to achieve. Why do we need a hierarchy of prejudice, can't we just condemn it all?

"You’re all confusing what a race is. It isn’t ‘anyone persecuted by Hitler’. Hitler also persecuted homosexuals and the disabled. Doesn’t mean they’re races."

Thanks for educating me on my own racial origins. You're entirely wrong but I'm enjoying you displaying your repeated ignorance