Diane Abbott

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To say that Diane Abbott is doing her best to help the Labour Party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

Hideous antisemitism seemingly not gone away at all and add that to the horrendous misogyny in the Labour Party I wonder at this point why ANYONE would vote for them.

AIBU?

There is plenty of outrage about the racism that the black community in this country including Diane Abbott face on a daily basis.

Would the lack of outrage make Diane's comments more acceptable?

She said Jews don't experience racism which is incorrect.

Some consider Jews as white but for many, we're not white and treated differently, still.

Yes it was communists, disabled and Polish amongst many others. I actually think ignoring the Akton T4 part of the holocaust is dangerous, considering the push to sterilise autistic children via Queer theory.

Tell me you know nothing about anti-romani racism without telling me you know nothing about anti-romani racism.

I'm not a fan of Abbot, but I'm Jewish and don't find that letter to be 'hideous antisemitism', it's poorly expressed and rather ignorant and I don't know what she was thinking sending it (early draft my arse!) though.

She is the biggest racist.

What she said was clearly unacceptable but she has had the whip withdrawn.

Some have been desperate to get rid of Dianne Abbot for years.
This has given them an excuse to do so

Regardless of the survey are any of those groups experiencing the list I’ve provided?

What’s amazing is that she wasn’t caught out in an interview giving a clumsy answer- she literally wrote this stuff down and sent it to the paper of her own volition, and then made a statement saying her letter was racist because she’d sent the wrong draft 😭

I think Starmer will regret his efforts to keep Corbyn’s wing of the party inside the fold. I think they are set on snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, intentionally, in the hope of regaining control of the party.

Personally I think that it's extra offensive coming from her since she's MP for Hackney which houses the biggest hasidic community in The UK. The biggest community of people who are obviously Jewish. The biggest community that need security outside every school and synagogue. The biggest Jewish Community who by dint of looking obviously Jewish experience casual racism all the time.
And actually from very personal experience living in Hackney I've experienced casual racism most often from black people.

Much of Mumsnet seems to be woefully ignorant to the fact that many many Jews experience daily abuse just for being Jewish. It's a common recurring theme and often dismissed every time Jewish mumsnetters mention the rise of antisemitism (and racism toward Jews) in the UK.

@Bergmum - if I could love your post, I would.

I agree 100% and it annoys me how dismissive people are of deliberate racism towards black and Asian people. It smacks hugely of white privilege.

Did she not understand how Whoopi Goldberg got her arse handed to her for saying the same? It really didn't go well down in the US so why Abbott thought she could say it in the UK AFTER the Goldberg drama is doubly unfathomable.

Unless it was her hill to die on and she was prepared to lose the whip for it.

Or shes got some kind of dementia (which has been suggested for a couple of years by some quarters).

Its staggering she done it for whatever reason tbh.

@Whataretheodds

Of course, but there were also some Jews who were able to hide in plain sight - adopting new names, histories. Sometimes dying their hair blonde etc. I think Abbots clumsily made point was simply that some ethnic minorities physically “stand out” more than others and thus literally always need to be on guard, whereas other groups will face racism/prejudice but it’s not a “constant” threat. You will often here Jewish people in public life in modern Britain say “actually, I’m Jewish/I have Jewish ancestry”. You never hear black or Asian people say that. Because it’s virtually never necessary.

No, Ireland is a sovereign country. You're getting confused because 'Ireland' is also the name of the island on which most of the country of Ireland sits. Part of that island is part of the UK. But let's not derail the thread!

Part of the island of Ireland is under Brtish rule.

They do in my area. If you are believed to be Irish or a traveller then you can forget getting a job, you'll be watched in shops, can't comment on the police but they treat everyone badly. Only reason I've not included Jewish is that we don't have any known Jewish in the area.

I don’t think she said anything wrong. Jewish people, Irish people and travellers aren’t races, so how can they experience racism? I’m unsure of her ‘private’ views on Jewish people and antisemitism, but in my view the article isn’t incorrect.

jews are not persecuted today as they were 50 years ago, are not 5x more likely to be stopped and searched

You might want to look at recent events in France:
"Despite only representing 1% of the population in France, Jews are targeted by 40% of racially or religiously motivated violent acts."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_21st-century_France

This.

It’s disappointing but no doubt Labour HQ are very pleased

I do think we need to have the discussion and to listen without it being derailed black peoples experiences of the everyday racism that they deal with. This unfortunately always leads to but x,y and z suffer racism too and that always happens or accusations of being over sensitive and so on. Iits the everyday racism that young black men having to deal with the police, the everyday racism that black women face being accused of being aggressive. It’s so integral in our society it’s just not seen as a issue by many

David Baddiel was absolutely correct in saying that the issue of Israel and problems there do not need to be raised constantly with discussing anti semitism

I don’t think she said anything wrong. Jewish people, Irish people and travellers aren’t races, so how can they experience racism?

Dunno, ask Hitler? The nazis could somehow tell, even with the secular ones.

This is a very ignorant post.